What's Hurney thinking about? A few general answers

[carpanfan96]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

So now the credit should go to the scouts (if you want to call Hurney a scout) and not to who actually made the decision to draft him?   

Once again Seifert didn't run the draft, he let Hurney who was DPP and Jack Buschofsky run the draft in 2001. Not hard to understand. 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Assistant GM with San Diego, where he handled the scouting department along with the Cap and contract negotiations, among many other things.... ??? 

He wasn't Assistant GM.  He was an assistant to the GM.

This is from his Panthers bio:

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Hurney joined the Redskins public relations department in 1988. In 1990, Hurney moved with Beathard to San Diego, serving as the general manager's assistant with responsibilities that included organizing the scouting department and player contracts and overseeing the day-to-day football administration.

With the advent of the salary cap in 1993, Hurney emerged as the club's specialist in compliance management, earning distinction as both an administrator and negotiator and playing an integral role in San Diego's AFC Championship in 1994.

That's not an Assistant GM.  Basically, he performed administrative assistance, compliance and accounting, not talent evaluation.

Also, in regard to his responsibilities after joining the Panthers...

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He originally joined the Panthers in 1998 from the San Diego Chargers and managed the salary cap under head coaches Dom Capers and George Seifert.

That's not scouting.  But as we know, Jerry Richardson never required you to have a background in something in order to assign you to it.  Also proven when he promoted Mark Koncz to Director of Pro Personnel for working well in the ticket office.

Yes, Jerry Richardson put a guy from the ticket office in charge of our free agency scouting. What does that tell you?

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Once again Seifert didn't run the draft, he let Hurney who was DPP and Jack Buschofsky run the draft in 2001. Not hard to understand. 

So by that logic he gets half credit for getting it right.  I guess credit by association means a lot to you guys.

[TheBiggerCat]

I think the league should put a freeze on the GM hiring until new ownership is put in place. This would keep JR from running things behind the scenes. The new ownership group should be allowed to come in and make their own decision. 

[bewonee]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

What good has he done since being back?  Trading KB?  That was beyond stupid.  Holding onto 2 kickers? Dumb.  Letting the wrong kicker go?  Dumb.  Nothing he has done since returning has made this team better.

>Trading KB
Team played much better without him

 

>Holding onto 2 kickers

You kinda have a point here. He has made one bad decision compared to two good ones.

 

 

>Letting the wrong kicker go?
Gano missed two field goals all season and outplayed Butker. 

[carpanfan96]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He wasn't Assistant GM.  He was an assistant to the GM.

This is from his Panthers bio:

Basically, administrative assistance, compliance and accounting, not talent evaluation.

Also, in regard to his responsibilities after joining the Panthers...

That's not scouting.

Nope Beathard had him scout by starting him out at local schools in the area. He ended up helping build both scouting and cap wise the Super bowl team in SD.  Also as far as him not wanting back into football, said he wouldn't and wanted to stay on the Radio. here

 

Hurney started working for the Redskins' public relations department, and then in 1990, Beathard brought him to San Diego where Hurney negotiated player contracts and served as a capologist.

"He knew how the cap worked inside and out," Beathard said. "We couldn't do anything without going to Marty … He was like a genius at getting the numbers worked out."

The salary cap was Hurney's specialty, but Beathard introduced to him to the scouting world by having him check out prospects at local schools, and Hurney showed an aptitude for evaluating talent on what would become the Chargers' Super Bowl XXIX team.

 

 

[bewonee]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well, our current GM choices are pretty black and white, aren't they?

To be more specific, we're choosing between "very highly qualified" black and "proven to poor at his job" white.

I know, just look at all the teams that have made the 2nd round  with these "so highly qualified" GMs! Also it's clear Richardson is JUST picking Hurney off race. Can I borrow a tinfoil hat my mind feels like it's imploding. Thanks for making me so WOKE.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, bewonee said:

>Trading KB
Team played much better without him

 

>Holding onto 2 kickers

You kinda have a point here. He has made one bad decision compared to two good ones.

 

 

>Letting the wrong kicker go?
Gano missed two field goals all season and outplayed Butker. 

Attributing the improvement to trading KB is weak.  The trade was not necessary for them to improve their approach.  Bad trade on merits alone.

Gano is paid significantly more than Butker and is marginally better than said rookie.  The rookie is the better deal in the long term.  Bad move.

[carpanfan96]

12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

So by that logic he gets half credit for getting it right.  I guess credit by association means a lot to you guys.

You do know that one of his responsibilities from 1999-2001 was scouting, not only that was he ran the scouting department from top to bottom. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Nope Beathard had him scout by starting him out at local schools in the area. He ended up helping build both scouting and cap wise the Super bowl team in SD.  Also as far as him not wanting back into football, said he wouldn't and wanted to stay on the Radio. here

Hurney started working for the Redskins' public relations department, and then in 1990, Beathard brought him to San Diego where Hurney negotiated player contracts and served as a capologist.

"He knew how the cap worked inside and out," Beathard said. "We couldn't do anything without going to Marty … He was like a genius at getting the numbers worked out."

The salary cap was Hurney's specialty, but Beathard introduced to him to the scouting world by having him check out prospects at local schools, and Hurney showed an aptitude for evaluating talent on what would become the Chargers' Super Bowl XXIX team.

I'm aware of his work with Beathard.  That still doesn't put him remotely in the neighborhood of guys like Raye, Dawson and Mayhew (and I'm not that big a fan of Mayhew).

I'd add that given how our salary cap looked under Hurney, and the huge mess we were in despite having a mediocre record, touting his work as a capologist is kinda like talking up Tommy Wiseau as a director.

[bewonee]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Attributing the improvement to trading KB is weak.  The trade was not necessary for them to improve their approach.  Bad trade on merits alone.

Gano is paid significantly more than Butker and is marginally better than said rookie.  The rookie is the better deal in the long term.  Bad move.

KB was literally a shittier Calvin Johnson effect. Cam never took his eyes off him and all it resulted in was Cam being read like a book. Performance>Paper

Gano will be around for a long time though, kickers can play well into their 30s on average. We will be able to find another young kicker in that stretch if we need too.

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm aware of his work with Beathard.  That still doesn't put him remotely in the neighborhood of guys like Raye, Dawson and Mayhew (and I'm not that big a fan of Mayhew).

I'd add that given how our salary cap looked under Hurney, and the huge mess we were in despite having a mediocre record, touting his time as a capologist is kinda like talking up Tommy Wiseau as a director.

He did that here too from 1999-2001 before getting the GM job, one of the key reasons he got the job in 2002

[frash.exe]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

 

"He knew how the cap worked inside and out," Beathard said. "We couldn't do anything without going to Marty … He was like a genius at getting the numbers worked out."

did beathard make it past 3rd grade math

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, bewonee said:

KB was literally a shittier Calvin Johnson effect. Cam never took his eyes off him and all it resulted in was Cam being read like a book. Performance>Paper

Gano will be around for a long time though, kickers can play well into their 30s on average. We will be able to find another young kicker in that stretch if we need too.

None of your assessment of KB is true.  Shula was the reason our offense was predictable, not Cam and KB.