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What's Hurney thinking about? A few general answers


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2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again given your opinion is neither impartial or logical, laugh away. I'll consider the source and ignore it.

There are 31 impartial judges out there in the NFL.

Five or six of them have all signed on take a notion that Jimmy Raye, Lake Dawson and Ryan Cowden are deserving of high ranking front office jobs.

Has anyone, anyone at all, outside of Jerry Richardson ever offered Marty Hurney a high front office job?

In the four years when Marty was available, did anybody even so much as offer him a job as a scout or a consultant?

But yeah, an "impartial" person would choose Marty hurney over the other guys.

Hilarious.

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5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Marty has chosen and acquired some good players also,  but like I suggested,  you must think the new owners will be dumb as rocks. If Hurney is as bad as you say,  then he's GMing on borrowed time.  So, what's the real problem here? 

Because there's no point whatsoever leaving him in charge for a single minute longer when there are better options.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's some pretty ridiculous logic (and I'm being generous with the word "logic").

The new owners are going to do what they're going to do. That fact in no way, shape or form lends to the idea that Marty Hurney deserves a job over better candidates.

Again I presented the reality of the situation. Sorry if it doesn't fit into you emotional tirades about Hurney you try and mask as logic. When that doesn't work you try and cast folks who disagree with you as insane, ridiculous or crazy. Seems to be a Huddle staple around here. Create extreme dialogues about others who disagree to try to discredit them.  Truth I am a much better judge of crazy or insane then you will ever be. So how about stopping the characterizations and stick to the realities and facts.

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8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I have a hard time believing the new owner (assuming they know anything about football) would see Hurney as the answer.  My concern is that JR's attempt at entrenching his guy before the sell will have detrimental impacts on the team before he is finally exposed to the new owner.

I really don't think that a new owner would even try to buy the team unless they have some measure of football knowledge.  And,  even if they don't,  they will do their homework and bone up on the situation (and are likely doing that right now).  They won't be coming in blind,  and they will have developed a game-plan to address Hurney and everyone else.  It's not like Hurney will likely be on a long leash---to the contrary---if he's in the park at all. 

 

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Just now, panthers55 said:

Again I presented the reality of the situation. Sorry if it doesn't fit into you emotional tirades about Hurney you try and mask as logic. When that doesn't work you try and cast folks who disagree with you as insane, ridiculous or crazy. Seems to be a Huddle staple around here. Create extreme dialogues about others who disagree to try to discredit them.  Truth I am a much better judge of crazy or insane then you will ever be. So how about stopping the characterizations and stick to the realities and facts.

This is irony at it's finest.

You'll have to pardon me if I don't find the take of someone who put considerable effort into defending how good a job Mike Shula was doing as particularly in touch with "reality".

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Just now, top dawg said:

I really don't think that a new owner would even try to buy the c team unless they have some measure of football knowledge.  And,  even if they don't,  they will do their homework and bone up on the situation (and are likely doing that right now).  They won't be coming in blind,  and they will have developed a game-plan to address Hurney and everyone else.  It's not like Hurney will likely be on a long leash---to the contrary---if he's in the park at all. 

 

I hope you're right.  This could go sideways in a hurry if the sell drags out and Hurney is left unchecked for any amount of time.

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1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I really don't think that a new owner would even try to buy the team unless they have some measure of football knowledge. 

Dan Snyder, Jimmy Haslam and Jerry Jones strike you as guys with football knowledge?

The vast majority of owners are not football guys. The one we had who was a football guy was terrible.

The question is whether they'll try to do things themselves or hire somebody who actually is a football guy and knows what they're doing.

If we get the second option, we're good. The first? Not so much.

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21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are 31 impartial judges out there in the NFL.

Five or six of them have all signed on take a notion that Jimmy Raye, Lake Dawson and Ryan Cowden are deserving of high ranking front office jobs.

Has anyone, anyone at all, outside of Jerry Richardson ever offered Marty Hurney a high front office job?

In the four years when Marty was available, did anybody even so much as offer him a job as a scout or a consultant?

But yeah, an "impartial" person would choose Marty hurney over the other guys.

Hilarious.

Again you are using Hurney 1.0 as your comparison and we already said he didn't do a good job first time around.  I wouldn't have picked him then. And I didn't say I wanted him as the long term choice here. Your whole argument is a red herring debate not germaine to the present or what we were discussing. This is your usual MO.

The argument is whether rolling with Hurney who has done a good job this time around is better for the team in the short term during the ownership change over picking an unknown and throwing them into the fire without even an owner to consult with over the next 6 months.

That is the choice and the only issue. All the other noise you are making is throwing crap against the wall hoping something sticks. And given that choice, Hurney is the better option.  

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10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again you are using Hurney 1.0 as your comparison and we already said he didn't do a good job first time around.  I wouldn't have picked him then. And I didn't say I wanted him as the long term choice here. Your whole argument is a red herring debate not germaine to the present or what we were discussing. This is your usual MO.

The argument is whether rolling with Hurney who has done a good job this time around is better for the team in the short term during the ownership change over than picking an unknown and throwing them into the fire without even an owner to consult with over the next 6 months.

That is the choice and the only issue. All the other noise you are making is throwing crap against the wall hoping something sticks. And given that choice, Hurney is the better option.  

I don't care if it's short term, long term, good terms, bad terms, speaking terms, terms and conditions, terms of endearment or terms of surrender.

There is no reality where Marty Hurney is a better GM choice than Jimmy Raye for one day, one month, one year, one minute or any other time period you want to suggest.

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14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is irony at it's finest.

You'll have to pardon me if I don't find the take of someone who put considerable effort into defending how good a job Mike Shula was doing as particularly in touch with "reality".

Again he is gone and isn't on staff so who cares. Again how about sticking to the issue instead of throwing anything out there to try to discredit me with extreme characterizations.  I never said Shula was great I said he was decent and could be good given the personnel to run his system which started with a great line. Which outside of 2015 we didn't have. But again that is irrelevant to the discussion.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't care if it's short term, long term, good terms, bad terms, terms of endearment or terms of surrender.

There is no reality where Marty Hurney is a better GM choice than Jimmy Raye for one day, one month, one year or any other time period you want to suggest.

Again that is your opinion and hardly impartial. Your dislike for Hurney is clear. We get it. That doesn't mean you are right or even in the majority.

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

I hope you're right.  This could go sideways in a hurry if the sell drags out and Hurney is left unchecked for any amount of time.

Look at it this way.  Hurney will likely be a little skittish to overpay and make terrible financial decisions because of how things last ended.  He already said in so many words that he's going to be more thoughtful about team building as it pertains to economics, and putting too many eggs in one positional basket. If anything he is going to be overly cautious.  That being said,  the only real "damage" that he can do is in the draft.  Let's say he hits on a first rounder (which is likely considering his past)  and screws up royally on everything else. Let's assume that because he screws up,  we end up tanking in 2018. In 2019, we will have a new GM with a "lottery" pick,  as well as a full compliment of picks including as much as three third rounders. That's probably about as bad as it would be in all likelihood.  Sure, we lose a season, but what else is new (except the future with new ownership and management)?  

I just don't see why some are being so nauseatingly negative about the situation.  Change is on the horizon either way.  If Marty sucks,  he sucks.  If he's good,  then it's all good.  Either way, positive change is coming. 

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4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again that is your opinion and hardly impartial. Your dislike for Hurney is clear. We get it. That doesn't mean you are right or even in the majority.

I have no dislike for Hurney at all. I actually think he's a good guy.

I also think he's a completely incompetent GM.

Believe it or not, it is possible to separate personal and professional opinions.

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2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Look at it this way.  Hurney will likely be a little skittish to overpay and make terrible financial decisions because of how things last ended.  He already said in so many words that he's going to be more thoughtful about team building as it pertains to economics, and putting too many eggs in one positional basket. If anything he is going to be overly cautious.  That being said,  the only real "damage" that he can do is in the draft.  Let's say he hits on a first rounder (which is likely considering his past)  and screws up royally on everything else. Let's assume that because he screws up,  we end up tanking in 2018. In 2019, we will have a new GM with a "lottery" pick,  as well as a full compliment of picks including as much as three third rounders. That's probably about as bad as it would be in all likelihood.  Sure, we lose a season, but what else is new (except the future with new ownership and management)?  

I just don't see why some are being so nauseatingly negative about the situation.  Change is on the horizon either way.  If Marty sucks,  he sucks.  If he's good,  then it's all good.  Either way, positive change is coming. 

Exactly. This is sky is falling logic from folks who hate Hurney and refuse to believe he could change or did. It is likely a waste of time trying to change minds of folks who have already made them up and aren't changing no matter what.

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