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[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, Car123 said:

So was Dwayne Jarrett. Not calling Samuel a bust, just saying draft position is highly overrated.

It's really not. Most of the starting receivers in this league were drafted in the first three rounds.  Of course there are always those that aren't,  but generally the further away you get from days one and two,  the numbers for these guys playing any appreciable amount of time decreases.  Lucking up on a UDFA receiver that plays a good amount of snaps is few and far and between, and they don't usually last long and give way to the more talented guys.

I've seen this all before and can almost predict how it's going to turn out. 

[Davidson Deac II]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'm not against the idea of him being a dedicated returner if that's how it ends up,  I'm just not so sure that there aren't better options in Byrd and Samuel even on that front.  Honestly,  I don't know if it's enough to justify KC's roster spot. And,  If last season didn't teach us anything else,  there will be instances where that 5th or 6th receiver will come into play.  

I agree, but the reality is that virtually every team in the NFL will struggle if they get down to the 5/6 receiver spot, we are no different in that regard than any other team.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, Car123 said:

So was Dwayne Jarrett. Not calling Samuel a bust, just saying draft position is highly overrated.

Hurney 2nd rounders might as well be treated like UDFAs.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

After Landry got tagged, don’t be surprised if other GMs are trying to elicit a trade. Why not say you might keep them to see if someone is willing to toss you a pick instead of getting nothing from a release. We’ll know soon enough if the FA WRs are crap or OK. That said if it’s thin then I’d rather draft a Kirk at 24 than pay a JAG like Lee $9M per year, which he could easily get if the FA pool is very shallow. 

 

Wow,  you're calling Lee JAG already.  I think he has some skills, but has been another one derailed by injuries.  He has carried that team some Sunday's.  That aside,  I wouldn't pay him half of 9 mil.  If some fool is willing to pay him 9 mil,  I'd smile in amusement and pretty much know that that team won't be a serious contender.  But,  I've heard that teams have some relatively deep pockets this year, so you never know.  My issue with Lee is his ability to stay on the field, and what would be the dynamic with him and Samuel on the corps.  I mean,  who would be the slot guy and who would be on the outside?  To me,  Samuel is at least a better version of Nelson Agholor waiting to happen. I want to see him in the slot. 

Honestly,  at this point,  I am not sold on any receiver in the first except for Ridley. Not for us. Now we can talk about receivers with all the other picks, especially if it comes down to paying grossly inflated prices for a vet in free agency. 

[top dawg]

With the way that it sounds like free agency is headed,  and a decided lack of starting caliber receivers in the draft,  this could turn out like another one of those years where we trot out projects,  or guys with glorified practice squad type talent onto the field with regularity. We may have to get lucky and/or hope like hell that Samuel and Byrd are "the business."

We have to have a measure of aggressiveness, but refuse to be stupid. 

[AceBoogie]

6 hours ago, top dawg said:

Moncrief could absolutely be the steal of free agency this year. His size,  speed and smoothness in his routes are still evident if not muted. Don't get it twisted, questionable QB play and an untimely collarbone injury really stunted his development. He is still young and talented.  I don't see a big problem with a high-reward-low-risk player like Crief.  

As for Bryant,  I said in another thread that I don't know how some of you get around the fact that this team is still Jerry Richardson's.  As such,  the man has said that his goal is to model his club after the Steelers. That being said,  if they're trying to jettison the much-troubled receiver, I just don't see J-Rich allowing that to happen. 

The Steelers don’t even model themselves after the Steelers anymore 

[top dawg]

10 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

The Steelers don’t even model themselves after the Steelers anymore 

Even if true,  does JR believe that? I would think not. 

Just suffice it to say that I'll be pleasant---err, guardedly  surprised if the old curmudgeon allows a guy like Bryant on the Panthers. 

[Trill OG]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Believe what you want. It's not the first time that I haven't been listened to about receivers.  Sometimes people just have to see how it all plays out.  

WR guru?

It doesn't take a WR specialist to realize Byrd has shown more promise than Samuel this past season.

 

Byrd was electric in the short amount of time he was on the field. Samuel didn't play like a 2nd round draft pick in his first year. Still early, but Byrd has clearly shown more potential imo.

[top dawg]

23 minutes ago, Trill OG said:

WR guru?

It doesn't take a WR specialist to realize Byrd has shown more promise than Samuel this past season.

 

Byrd was electric in the short amount of time he was on the field. Samuel didn't play like a 2nd round draft pick in his first year. Still early, but Byrd has clearly shown more potential imo.

That's because you aren't looking at the total picture.  You are just wowed by glitz against a suspect defense.  Moreover, you aren't looking at the actual routes run,  or the level of competition.  Thirdly, the sample sizes are simply too small to make that type of determination,  so,  lastly,  you simply have to look at their college resumés and try and take it all in and project who will be the greater receiver---the one that will have the most prolific impact. 

Just think,  with the impact that Benjamin made while he was here,  why do you think that we ended up putting our chips on Funchess (who,  in my estimation,  just looks like the naturally better receiver)? It's not as simple as going by one season,  much less basically one game. 

Furthermore,  Samuel's and Byrd's stats aren't that different.  I'll give Byrd some kudos for the TDs,  but they aren't that different.  There's not too much to see with either one,  and that's why I feel we must get at least one free agent here to provide some competition to provide Cam a rock-solid option. 

[top dawg]

And don't get me wrong @Trill OG, I still hold out hope for Byrd. I am not as highly suspect of him as I was Shepard and Brown.   I just am skeptical because of his total resumé thus far. As much as you guys want to talk about him being "electric" and all that, it wasn't too long ago that he was "electric" in a preseason game and labeled as the next big thing by some in the Huddle. He 7was going to do big things, right?  Then,  he promptly disappeared. Subsequently, he all but fell off the map during the regular season.  There is a reason why some guys just never get traction,  and most of the time it's because they aren't that guy. When the real opportunity comes,  like the kind that Shepard has had,  the gamers seize them and do their thing.  Of course injury is the great derailer,  but the real gamers just never seem to die.  Byrd's gonna have to  seize the day if he is going to play to the caliber that some are suggesting.  Like it or not,  Samuel is going to get his chance because his total resumé is simply more "electric" than Byrd's.  It's that simple. 

Put your money on Byrd. That's OK.  But from where I'm sitting,  Samuel hasn't even gotten started. 

[Trill OG]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And don't get me wrong @Trill OG, I still hold out hope for Byrd. I am not as highly suspect of him as I was Shepard and Brown.   I just am skeptical because of his total resumé thus far. As much as you guys want to talk about him being "electric" and all that, it wasn't too long ago that he was "electric" in a preseason game and labeled as the next big thing by some in the Huddle. He was going to do big things, right?  Then,  he promptly disappeared. Subsequently, he all but fell off the map during the regular season.  There is a reason why some guys just never get traction,  and most of the time it's because they aren't that guy. When the real opportunity comes,  like the kind that Shepard has had,  the gamers seize them and do their thing.  Of course injury is the great derailer,  but the real gamers just never seem to die.  Byrd's gonna have to  seize the day if he is going to play to the caliber that some are suggesting.  Like it or not,  Samuel is going to get his chance because his total resumé is simply more "electric" than Byrd's.  It's that simple. 

Nobody is saying Byrd is "the next big thing", we are saying he has shown more potential than Samuel did last year. He has potential to be a special asset to this offense. He showed that last year.

Of course we need to address the WR position in terms of getting a starter opposite of Funchess, because neither Samuel or Byrd are there yet.

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, Trill OG said:

Nobody is saying Byrd is "the next big thing", we are saying he has shown more potential than Samuel did last year. He has potential to be a special asset to this offense. He showed that last year.

Of course we need to address the WR position in terms of getting a starter opposite of Funchess, because neither Samuel or Byrd are there yet.

Ha! I remember what people were saying.  Some even had Byrd ahead of Funchess.  

You initially asked why people see Samuel ahead of Byrd.  I've given you reasons why. 

[Car123]

26 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And don't get me wrong @Trill OG, I still hold out hope for Byrd. I am not as highly suspect of him as I was Shepard and Brown.   I just am skeptical because of his total resumé thus far. As much as you guys want to talk about him being "electric" and all that, it wasn't too long ago that he was "electric" in a preseason game and labeled as the next big thing by some in the Huddle. He 7was going to do big things, right?  Then,  he promptly disappeared. Subsequently, he all but fell off the map during the regular season.  There is a reason why some guys just never get traction,  and most of the time it's because they aren't that guy. When the real opportunity comes,  like the kind that Shepard has had,  the gamers seize them and do their thing.  Of course injury is the great derailer,  but the real gamers just never seem to die.  Byrd's gonna have to  seize the day if he is going to play to the caliber that some are suggesting.  Like it or not,  Samuel is going to get his chance because his total resumé is simply more "electric" than Byrd's.  It's that simple. 

Put your money on Byrd. That's OK.  But from where I'm sitting,  Samuel hasn't even gotten started. 

Dude Byrd was injured for half of the year.

[heel31ok]

10 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

This is a topic dedicated to figuring out who the 5 wide receivers for the 2018 Carolina Panthers should be.

The following reflects my initial thinking....

1. Funchess

2. Free Agent / Trade

3. Samuel

4. Draft pick

5. Byrd

Funchess, Samuel, and Byrd are the only guys worth keeping around. They would not clear the waiver wire. Guys like Duke and Ross can stay in the PS and develop. 

Yes, I have Hurney picking a receiver even though he has a horrible track record in that area. Hopefully the scouting department can sway Hurney 2.0 away from his own terrible instincts and onto a decent player. 

I had hoped Samuel would be a legit threat this season, but after missing most of last year and likely not ready to do much until well into training camp this year, I have my doubts. He is basically a rookie again this season.

As such , a legitimate NFL caliber receiver is needed opposite Funchess. The draft won't offer us that. Our only hope for anything approaching a respectable receivers corps is Hurndog landing a legit free agent or trading for a solid player.

 

 

The natural order of things says it pretty much has to go like this...I think the only question is how mch we are willing to spend...