Gantt believes the league will force a sale to Tepper

[Moo Daeng]

Erik Spanberg pretty quickly dismissed the notion that owners would do any strong arming to push one owner over another. He states that would not be in their own best interests as franchise owners. 

[Jon Snow]

9 hours ago, The Huddler said:

I love this poo. I hope it hets nasty. 

Don't know if I would go that far but I admit I'm getting a good chuckle out of the circus it has become.   

[Paa Langfart]

Because  chaos in the front office is what makes for championships.  

 

I wish some of you asshats would glom on to another team.

[Moo Daeng]

If you just want to throw out theories as to the hold up then it's just as reasonable to say Tepper has a lower bid that he can quickly back up but Navarro is being given time to solidify his higher bid. That's why we've heard it said over and over that Tepper is still in at the right price. It's why we are heading about Manning. He's wouldn't be a significant partner but there's things happening in that regard.

It's not full of drama like Gantt and PFT want to push but it might be a more reasonable explanation.

[Woodie]

1 hour ago, Moo Daeng said:

If you just want to throw out theories as to the hold up then it's just as reasonable to say Tepper has a lower bid that he can quickly back up but Navarro is being given time to solidify his higher bid. That's why we've heard it said over and over that Tepper is still in at the right price. It's why we are heading about Manning. He's wouldn't be a significant partner but there's things happening in that regard.

It's not full of drama like Gantt and PFT want to push but it might be a more reasonable explanation.

Yeah, I think it's far more complicated than the league simply trying to strong arm JR into selling to Tepper.  I don't doubt that the league wants Tepper to be the winner, simply because they are already familiar with him along with him being the wealthiest of the bidders.  And Gantt might very likely be extrapolating from this that the league is trying to force the sale to Tepper.  

Ultimately, it's in the owners best interest to sell to the actual highest bidder, especially when you're talking hundreds of millions difference.  The problem is nobody really knows what's going on, so people are trying to guestimate what the holdup is, and in doing so, tend to look at the easiest answer.  For all we know, the league may be trying to push Tepper into upping his bid, and have asked JR to hold off on making a final decision.  Who knows, but we should find out soon.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Yeah, I think it's far more complicated than the league simply trying to strong arm JR into selling to Tepper.  I don't doubt that the league wants Tepper to be the winner, simply because they are already familiar with him along with him being the wealthiest of the bidders.  And Gantt might very likely be extrapolating from this that the league is trying to force the sale to Tepper.  

Ultimately, it's in the owners best interest to sell to the actual highest bidder, especially when you're talking hundreds of millions difference.  The problem is nobody really knows what's going on, so people are trying to guestimate what the holdup is, and in doing so, tend to look at the easiest answer.  For all we know, the league may be trying to push Tepper into upping his bid, and have asked JR to hold off on making a final decision.  Who knows, but we should find out soon.

If LaCanfora is right, we have found out. And the sale is not going to the highest bidder.

[CarolinaSamurai]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If LaCanfora is right, we have found out. And the sale is not going to the highest bidder.

Yep. If the Peyton hail Mary fell through then I'm not surprised the league is forcing JRs hand. Which is crazy to me after JR literally always chose the league over his own team. Now to make up for his loyalty he's being treated like trash. Its pretty ironic if you ask me.

[acymetric]

19 hours ago, RumHam said:

The thing is I'd take Tepper and the league is getting what it wants from day one. I'm sure this was all orchestrated to happen. Personally, I don't want a guy that JR approves in there b/c who knows if JR will indirectly be speaking in Navarro's ear about player personnel. We should go in the direction the league is going because if JR really wants a guy in there, that means that guy shares his vision. I'm sick of trying to be the pittsburgh steelers. fuging hate that franchise. We need a new identity. Plus if we do get the indoor stadium, we'll get Super Bowls. We could still be the first team to host and win one. However, it would be nicer winning in Atlanta this year.

You do realize Tepper is a part owner of the Steelers right?

[Woodie]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If LaCanfora is right, we have found out. And the sale is not going to the highest bidder.

Of course that had to come out about the time I was posting.  Oh well.

Anyway, to me it actually sounds like Navarro doesn't have the capital for the bid he made, so was looking at outside investors to fill in the gap, but for whatever reason it didn't come through.  Therefore, Tepper actually does have the highest bid in terms of actually being able to pay the amount bid.

It was always the underlying issue with Navarro.  He is reportedly worth about 3 billion, and bid 2.5 billion, so he needed a significant investor to have any chance of getting the team.  And with Tepper clearly having the funds to pay outright, without investors, his is the highest legitimate bid.

I think it also makes sense why their was the impression the league was pushing hard for Tepper...he is obviously the only one without any financial questions.  I hope this report will keep people from turning on Tepper as if he was forced on JR.  He was simply the only one that could afford the team.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Of course that had to come out about the time I was posting.  Oh well.

Anyway, to me it actually sounds like Navarro doesn't have the capital for the bid he made, so was looking at outside investors to fill in the gap, but for whatever reason it didn't come through.  Therefore, Tepper actually does have the highest bid in terms of actually being able to pay the amount bid.

It was always the underlying issue with Navarro.  He is reportedly worth about 3 billion, and bid 2.5 billion, so he needed a significant investor to have any chance of getting the team.  And with Tepper clearly having the funds to pay outright, without investors, his is the highest legitimate bid.

I think it also makes sense why their was the impression the league was pushing hard for Tepper...he is obviously the only one without any financial questions.  I hope this report will keep people from turning on Tepper as if he was forced on JR.  He was simply the only one that could afford the team.

Kestenbaum was also reported to have bid higher than Tepper, though not necessarily as high as Navarro.

Ultimately, I do think the amount of money that each man had left after the bid matters as much to the league as the amount of the bid itself.

In the end though, Navarro was going up against a guy that has the favor of some of the most powerful people in the league (especially the Rooneys and Bob Kraft) so it was an uphill battle no matter what happened.

To be clear though, I'm not necessarily against Tepper. I just would have preferred Navarro.

[Woodie]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Kestenbaum was also reported to have bid higher than Tepper, though not necessarily as high as Navarro.

Ultimately, I do think the amount of money that each man had left after the bid matters as much to the league as the amount of the bid itself.

In the end though, Navarro was going up against a guy that has the favor of some of the most powerful people in the league (especially the Rooneys and Bob Kraft) so it was an uphill battle no matter what happened.

To be clear though, I'm not necessarily against Tepper. I just would have preferred Navarro.

I think Kestenbaum had the same problem as Navarro, which is needing a big time investor, but not able to secure one.  Which in Kestenbaum's case, I'm glad about.  

I like Navarro because his interest seems genuine and specific to the Panthers.  I also think he is someone that we could respect on a personal level as an owner.  But I do worry about his finances.  I really didn't want someone who was stretching themselves thin to own the team, I worry that they would have to go cheap on things like scouting, what coaches and GM they hire, and any other non-player expenses simply out of necessity.  

I have also liked Tepper throughout the process.  I think he is probably in the best position to hit the ground running since he already understands the NFL and has connections within the league.  I think he also has good business sense and understands when to spend and when to be frugal.  He certainly knows the importance of having highly qualified people in key positions, so I'm not worried about him going cheap and lessening the product to save a buck.  But most importantly, I love that he has the wherewithal to give this team whatever it needs to succeed. 

I also think he has a competitive streak and will not want to be the owner of a bottom feeder team.  He'll want to be that guy that everyone looks to as one of the leaders, similar to how Bob Kraft and the Rooney's are viewed.  But to do that, we need to be a consistent winner and earn that respect.  So, I really think Tepper will do whatever he can to put the best people in place and keep this team in the upper echelon of organizations.  I'm sure he'll make some cosmetic changes as well to personalize it to him, but I'm more excited about where he'll lead the team in the future.  

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I think Kestenbaum had the same problem as Navarro, which is needing a big time investor, but not able to secure one.  Which in Kestenbaum's case, I'm glad about.  

I like Navarro because his interest seems genuine and specific to the Panthers.  I also think he is someone that we could respect on a personal level as an owner.  But I do worry about his finances.  I really didn't want someone who was stretching themselves thin to own the team, I worry that they would have to go cheap on things like scouting, what coaches and GM they hire, and any other non-player expenses simply out of necessity.  

I have also liked Tepper throughout the process.  I think he is probably in the best position to hit the ground running since he already understands the NFL and has connections within the league.  I think he also has good business sense and understands when to spend and when to be frugal.  He certainly knows the importance of having highly qualified people in key positions, so I'm not worried about him going cheap and lessening the product to save a buck.  But most importantly, I love that he has the wherewithal to give this team whatever it needs to succeed. 

I also think he has a competitive streak and will not want to be the owner of a bottom feeder team.  He'll want to be that guy that everyone looks to as one of the leaders, similar to how Bob Kraft and the Rooney's are viewed.  But to do that, we need to be a consistent winner and earn that respect.  So, I really think Tepper will do whatever he can to put the best people in place and keep this team in the upper echelon of organizations.  I'm sure he'll make some cosmetic changes as well to personalize it to him, but I'm more excited about where he'll lead the team in the future.  

Kestenbaum was reported to have the backing of a Canadian billionaire who had as much money as Tepper. I don't really think the NFL was ever that high on him though.

I agree with the notion that Tepper will be highly competitive, and probably demanding as a boss.

[Woodie]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Kestenbaum was reported to have the backing of a Canadian billionaire who had as much money as Tepper. I don't really think the NFL was ever that high on him though.

I agree with the notion that Tepper will be highly competitive, and probably demanding as a boss.

But the guy he was reported to have the backing of pretty much denied it.  Now, it might have been that they were in negotiations, but I don't think anything was ever finalized.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Woodie said:

But the guy he was reported to have the backing of pretty much denied it.  Now, it might have been that they were in negotiations, but I don't think anything was ever finalized.

Possible. Of course, we hardly ever heard much about Kestenbaum anyway. And confidentiality agreements make it tough to know what's really going on.

Tepper denied being out, but LaCanfora is saying he was in and out like a yoyo.

Will be interesting to see what details come out after those confidentiality agreements no longer matter.