Moton LT of 2019? Not so fast...

[heel31ok]

23 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. You may want to get those goalposts you just moved to Virginia.

Same goal post...you are just a poor kicker...

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Woodie said:

Not going to get in the middle of your argument, but I will answer this.

I don't think anyone disputes the fact that Moton was the best LT on the roster.  But he was also the best RT on the roster (in fact, he was the ONLY legitimate RT on the roster).  The difference, the only OT on the roster that we could even consider starting was Clark.  But the problem is that Clark is a far worse RT than LT (and that's saying something).  He has been tried there in the past and is virtually incapable of playing RT with any level of competence.

Unfortunately, the only other player that could have taken over RT if we moved Moton to LT was Silatolu.  And I don't think anybody wanted to see him anywhere near the field.  So, the issue wasn't that we were playing our best LT at another position, it was that we didn't have anyone else that could play RT if we moved Moton.  So basically, it was a move out of necessity rather than desire.

The thing is, if you look at the Oline as a whole rather than individual parts, it was clear they were better with Moton at RT and Clark at LT.  As bad as our line looked this year, it would have been far worse if we switched Moton and Clark.

Why is this so frigging hard to understand?  Y'all  act like you can't change the roster--we HAD to use Clark and he could not play RT----For the 10th time--you have a GM--find a RT on a PS, a trade, etc.  We did NOT HAVE TO PLAY CLARK--BUT WE DID--and they did nothing about it.  You do not rob a key position to fill a lesser position.

Again, why is this so damn difficult to  comprehend?  By the time our third QB hit IR, that light should be blinking.

[MHS831]

 By the way, those of you who think this was a suggestion to move Moton to LG were not paying attention or understanding direct, concretely-stated possibilities.  If Kalil was Rivera's LT in 2019 and Williams the RT, you either back up both spots with Moton or you play him at G, where he was better as a collegian. 

You are all basing your opinions on the supposition that this player can play LT at a high level because he had a good game early this year.  If so, and he is the LT of the future, you play him there NOW.

The Logic of playing your best LT and LT of the future at RT because none of the other Ts could play RT even though they suck at LT is idiotic.

The QB is the most important position in sports--in football-and on any offense.  Let me know if I am going too fast.

The LT is the second most important player on the offense.  He protects the most important player's blind side and more.  You need a good LT to protect your $25m investment.

The RT is also important, but not as important.  So if you do not have a RT, moving a good LT to RT and putting a player that sucks at LT is STOOOPID.

You hide an inferior RT between Turner and Manhertz instead of playing an inferior LT because he is worse at RT.  You just exposed your QB's blind side.  Your  QB's $25m blind side.

My argument is not opinion--any football expert would tell you this--it is common sense.  So instead of putting a developing T who CAN PLAY RT between Turner (all pro) and Manhertz (damn good blocker), they got lazy and exposed their blind side by putting a coach potato on the blind side beside Van Roten.  They never attempted to find a RT and play Moton there.  They thought they could get by with a turd at LT.  Idiots.

Spin it 100 ways if you want---it was DUMB. 3 QBs on the operating table should be all you need, so I won't include charts or photos.

 

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Reports have stated that Rivera doesn't see Moton as a left tackle though.

WHICH IS THE POINT.

These turd munchers are convinced that Moton has sealed the deal to be the best LT of the future--but they were NOT playing him there----all because he had a good game vs. Dallas for a bit and played there in preseason.

As of now, Kalil is the 2019 starting LT. If Moton was a LT, he would have been playing LT--and if they thought he was going to play LT next season and for some stupid reason was at RT all year, Rivera surely would have played him at LT Sunday--to see what he has before the draft.  The fact that Moton never saw action at LT all season as Clark and Newhouse whiffed their way through 3 QBs, speaks volumes.

 

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, ncfan said:

Yeah because starting RTs just grow out of the fugging ground into the regular season. 

If Williams was done before camp and we knew he was done in camp.  Im sure that GM would go after a RT.  But once the season starts.  Only people put there are castoff of cast offs.

Fugging Byron Bell is still out there as a backup.  So only people out there in FA once the season starts are guys who cant even beat put Bells fugging backup.  

Its not magic.  We had to dig through a pile of trash and found about the pnly thing that os somewhat serviceable.  Its just that guy cant play the RT spot.  So you makedo.  You play that guy where he can even if you slide Moton back over to RT

But we were able to find LTs in free agency--correct?  Are you joking?  You are treating RT as if it the most important position on the OL----it is not.  RTs are easier to find in free agency and on PS rosters.  PERIOD.

LT is the most important position on the OL--any moron knows that.  You fill it with your best LT.

Your logic:  If Olsen got hurt and we had no backup TEs, you would move Cam there because he could do a good job and we have a backup QB--sure he sucks, but at least TE is covered.

There is a hierarchy,

I would say (based on the pay scale) something like this::

1. QB
2. LT
3. WR #1
4. RT
5. C
6. RB
7. RG
8. TE
9. LG
10. WR #2
11. Slot WR
12. FB

[Icege]

Hope yall are ready for Kalil/Van Roten/Larsen/Turner/Moton next season when we were so, so close to Moton/Van Roten/Larsen/Turner/Williams.

I've got the metaphorical toaster plugged in and the bath tub filled.

[heel31ok]

14 minutes ago, Icege said:

Hope yall are ready for Kalil/Van Roten/Larsen/Turner/Moton next season when we were so, so close to Moton/Van Roten/Larsen/Turner/Williams.

I've got the metaphorical toaster plugged in and the bath tub filled.

As long as Moton plays RT, LT doesnt matter...I mean since Kalil cant play RT...

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Hope yall are ready for Kalil/Van Roten/Larsen/Turner/Moton next season when we were so, so close to Moton/Van Roten/Larsen/Turner/Williams.

I've got the metaphorical toaster plugged in and the bath tub filled.

I hope not, but I ffear this is close to what we will see--I am not sure WIlliams will sign here and if he is going to be healed--but if he does come back 100%, he is better than Moton was at RT--what do you do with Moton? 

LG is the best answer--despite what all of the people who say he is a natural LT.  He was actually a great G in college and was projected to G by some teams.  But saw Moton do well vs. Dallas, and have decided that he is the next Jordan Gross.

If that is the case, We will find a LT in the draft--can he beat out Kalil?  Hope so.  I also think this is a very good draft for C---I think we will play Larsen for a season unless we sign a free agent C--but we should find a decent C in the third-fourth round.

 

[Woodie]

7 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Why is this so frigging hard to understand?  Y'all  act like you can't change the roster--we HAD to use Clark and he could not play RT----For the 10th time--you have a GM--find a RT on a PS, a trade, etc.  We did NOT HAVE TO PLAY CLARK--BUT WE DID--and they did nothing about it.  You do not rob a key position to fill a lesser position.

Again, why is this so damn difficult to  comprehend?  By the time our third QB hit IR, that light should be blinking.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that there was nobody available that we could have brought in that was any better?  And you know better than to think they could have easily made a trade with another team.  Teams do not trade away key OL backups mid-season.  

Bottom line is you're arguing the wrong argument.  Everyone here is going by what we actually had to work with, not some fantasy idea that we could have easily just pulled some competent, starter level RT out of our ass.  

If you look at this objectively, you would get it, but I think you're too locked into an unrealistic scenario based on what you want.  So you keep arguing this flawed argument.

[Woodie]

7 hours ago, MHS831 said:

WHICH IS THE POINT.

These turd munchers are convinced that Moton has sealed the deal to be the best LT of the future--but they were NOT playing him there----all because he had a good game vs. Dallas for a bit and played there in preseason.

As of now, Kalil is the 2019 starting LT. If Moton was a LT, he would have been playing LT--and if they thought he was going to play LT next season and for some stupid reason was at RT all year, Rivera surely would have played him at LT Sunday--to see what he has before the draft.  The fact that Moton never saw action at LT all season as Clark and Newhouse whiffed their way through 3 QBs, speaks volumes.

 

Now you're just being hateful and emotional.  Just because people aren't agreeing with you, you start calling them names.  What's really funny is that you have no idea what you're talking about...and you don't even know it.  You don't have one clue what the plan is at either RT or LT, yet you resort to name calling as if you know the plan.  You ask a loaded question, but in the face of logical responses, you attack...with what can only be considered less-than-logical arguments. 

You seem incapable of looking at the big picture and understanding that there are actually two parts to the issue.  If Moton is indeed the future LT, moving him would have actually effected more than just his individual performance, it would have effected the entire line.  And your response is that we could have easily just picked up someone that could have been a competent starter at RT from the trash heaps or simply trade for one...as if teams trade away starting quality backup OT's during the season all the time.  Your whole premise is unrealistic and nothing but fantasy.

It's really sad that you are unwilling to actually try to understand the opposite perspective and have a legitimate discussion.  There have been many logical arguments made, yet because you think otherwise, you call them stupid.  It really is ironic that you are calling down other's opinions when it's yours that are not well thought out and with a reasoned understanding of the situation.  

Stop being so emotional and actually try to understand what people are actually saying, because it's abundantly clear that you do not.

[Swaggasaurus]

Moton is probably just right handed 

[MHS831]

7 hours ago, Woodie said:

Now you're just being hateful and emotional.  Just because people aren't agreeing with you, you start calling them names.  What's really funny is that you have no idea what you're talking about...and you don't even know it. 

Since when is common sense "emotional?"  I have no clue?  Yes, I do.  You put your best LT at LT---regardless of what chemistry there is or how it impacts the others.  You protect your QB's blind side---not other linemen.  To suggest that this is not the way every NFL team has functioned since the beginning of the forward pass is nonsense.

It is stupid to suggest that we moved our only and best LT to RT because that is how the personnel fit best.  Nooooo.  You anchor the OL with the best LT and then you find players who can play RT....You do not fill LT with garbage so you can secure RT.   It is dumb logic--sorry if that offends anyone, but  we lost 3 QBs this season.  We were 1 play from having CMC under center.  Moton is not being considered as the future LT or he'd already be there.  It really is that simple. 

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

This thread is a disaster. We have @MHS831 continuing to say that Moton was a better guard in college with 0 proof and nothing beyond his assertion. I’ve given concrete examples (5 of 6 years at tackle, top 10ish NFL tackle ranking, more accolades at RT in college) and got 0 proof other than when Kalil and Williams were healthy that Moton was in running for LG for a coach who has been proven not to supplant vets without injury.

Then we have @Mr. Scot saying that Rivera said Moton wasn’t a LT and he hasn’t found anything for that “report” and this same coach had Moton playing LT until Williams got hurt week 1.

Moton can and has played LT well in the pros. There is nothing saying he can’t and that we feel he can’t and there is nothing saying he’s a better guard. 

"Do your homework before you call someone out, scholar:

Sources Tell Us

"I had to go back and watch his 2015 tape when he played guard. He was a little rough at tackle this year but that isn't his spot. Big and strong as a guard. He was moving guys from Ohio State around like it was nothing." -- Area scout for NFC team"

" Size and potential to dominate at the point of attack with pure power should make him a coveted right guard prospect."

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/taylor-moton?id=2557871

 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

This thread is a disaster. We have @MHS831 continuing to say that Moton was a better guard in college with 0 proof and nothing beyond his assertion. I’ve given concrete examples (5 of 6 years at tackle, top 10ish NFL tackle ranking, more accolades at RT in college) and got 0 proof other than when Kalil and Williams were healthy that Moton was in running for LG for a coach who has been proven not to supplant vets without injury.

Then we have @Mr. Scot saying that Rivera said Moton wasn’t a LT and he hasn’t found anything for that “report” and this same coach had Moton playing LT until Williams got hurt week 1.

Moton can and has played LT well in the pros. There is nothing saying he can’t and that we feel he can’t and there is nothing saying he’s a better guard. 

Yes he did play left tackle in the preseason. And after watching him play it and play it very well, the team went out and signed Chris Clark.

Having watched how Chris Clark played at left tackle this year, I wouldn't call that a vote of confidence.

Heck, even when Clark got injured, Rivera thought it was better to trot Marshall Newhouse out there than to switch Moton.

I may not remember who said it, but the fact that even when they were down to their third choice they still didn't move Moton over says a lot.

Will they move him next year? Lord I hope so. Guess we'll see.