Perry Fewell hired as secondary coach

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Like I said, it's nothing more than Ron keeping a friend on staff.  I still don't think it means much or has a whole lot of effect.  He's a glorified assistant that probably won't grow any further.  Again, I think much of Ron's words regarding Rodgers is nothing but fluff.  IMO, Imamura was the guy they expected to be the actual secondary coach, but when he showed he wasn't the guy they let him go.  The only reason Rodgers was kept was because of his friendship with Rivera.  But if he was thought of as anything more than an assistant, they wouldn't have gone out of their way to interview and hire a legit secondary coach.  They would have just handed it to Rodgers.

I'm not arguing that Rodger's spot on the team is deserved, but I just don't think it is anything to get overly worked up about.  It doesn't cost us or the team anything (at least not anything that effects the cap).  And we all know that one of Ron's biggest weaknesses is his loyalty.  To me, this is much ado about nothing.

Can't buy that. If they expected Imamura to be the secondary coach, they'd have named him such.

Instead, they gave the duties and resposibilities to Rodgers, then when the unit started underperforming fired Imamura.

I agree that Rodgers is only on the staff because of his friendship with Rivera. I just see that as a bad thing, especially in light of the fact that giving friends jobs that they didn't deserve was a Jerry Richardson practice..

 

[Woodie]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Can't buy that. If they expected Imamura to be the secondary coach, they'd have named him such.

Instead, they gave the duties and resposibilities to Rodgers, then when the unit started underperforming fired Imamura.

I agree that Rodgers is only on the staff because of his friendship with Rivera. I just see that as a bad thing, especially in light of the fact that giving friends jobs that they didn't deserve was a Jerry Richardson practice..

 

I just think you're reading way too much into it, and making more of it than it needs.  Keeping friends and/or family on staff is a common practice, and it rarely has any real effect on anything since there is no effect on the salary cap.

With that said, I think all we're doing at this point is arguing semantics, and in reality, it is impossible to prove one way or the other.  But I do get your point, it just doesn't concern me much.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I just think you're reading way too much into it, and making more of it than it needs.  Keeping friends and/or family on staff is a common practice, and it rarely has any real effect on anything since there is no effect on the salary cap.

With that said, I think all we're doing at this point is arguing semantics, and in reality, it is impossible to prove one way or the other.  But I do get your point, it just doesn't concern me much.

If he were just assistant to the associate special teams quality control coach, it wouldn't bother me either.

When he gets positions like special teams coach or secondary coach, that's another story.

[Woodie]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If he were just assistant to the associate special teams quality control coach, it wouldn't bother me either.

When he gets positions like special teams coach or secondary coach, that's another story.

He's not secondary coach, and he was only an interim last year.  At least he does have significant experience in that area, so it's not like he's being asked to do anything he has never done before.  But the fact that he's just an assistant indicates even Ron will only go so far to keep his friend on staff.

And he was only ST coordinator for just over a year, and was promptly removed once he proved to be totally incompetent.  While I think Ron tried to find a way to make him a serious NFL coach, even he realizes Rodgers has limitations, so is only putting him in position to assist others rather than lead any group himself.  Remember, even though he was given the temporary title of secondary coach, Ron still oversaw the secondary himself.  As much as he wants to help him, I think Ron trusts Rodgers only so far.  

[TheSpecialJuan]

[Mr. Scot]

40 minutes ago, Woodie said:

He's not secondary coach, and he was only an interim last year.  At least he does have significant experience in that area, so it's not like he's being asked to do anything he has never done before.  But the fact that he's just an assistant indicates even Ron will only go so far to keep his friend on staff.

And he was only ST coordinator for just over a year, and was promptly removed once he proved to be totally incompetent.  While I think Ron tried to find a way to make him a serious NFL coach, even he realizes Rodgers has limitations, so is only putting him in position to assist others rather than lead any group himself.  Remember, even though he was given the temporary title of secondary coach, Ron still oversaw the secondary himself.  As much as he wants to help him, I think Ron trusts Rodgers only so far.  

There was never any indication that the DB coach assignment was only interim.  Had the defense performed better last year, he'd probably still have the job.

And again, as long as he stays a lower level assistant, okay. But twice he's been elevated to more important positions where he performed poorly. So at least up to this point, Rivera hadn't learned his lesson.

If he has now, good.

[MHS831]

this is a solid addition.

[Woodie]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

There was never any indication that the DB coach assignment was only interim.  Had the defense performed better last year, he'd probably still have the job.

And again, as long as he stays a lower level assistant, okay. But twice he's been elevated to more important positions where he performed poorly. So at least up to this point, Rivera hadn't learned his lesson.

If he has now, good.

It was logical that it was only an interim position.  Don't remember the exact wording, but it was clear to me that it was only for the rest of the season.  And if the defense stepped up with him at the helm of the DB's, then he would have earned a level of respect and a legitimate shot at the permanent job. 

But regardless of what us fans thought, it is clear that in Ron's mind, it was only temporary.  So again, not anything overly concerning.

[rhyslloyd]

21 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Additional news from Rodrigue...

Sounds as if he's also likely to be tutoring Eric Washington.

Definitely sounds that way, but my question is how much more tutoring should a guy who's been coaching 21 years (10 in the league) need?  He's 49 years old and just last season managed to get de facto promoted to DC and failed miserably.  My point is I think the guy is a poor coach who's more than maxed out his potential.

[frash.exe]

i have a bad feeling about him getting booted if we go on a losing run so that they can cover eric washington/richard rodgers’ ass again like they did last year

[tarheelfan23]

5 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

i have a bad feeling about him getting booted if we go on a losing run so that they can cover eric washington/richard rodgers’ ass again like they did last year

I am not so sure about this...With Tepper saying they had some good conversations and he let them (Ron and Hurney) know of his philosophy, i believe the butts are getting hot and they are not just going to cover something so they can save 2 other dudes. 

[Johnny Rockets]

Didn't see this mentioned (unless I missed it) but Jalen Ramsey took some shots at Fewell immediately after the Panthers announced the hiring by tweeting to Corn Elder and Gaulden.  It's kinda what Ramsey does so I wouldn't look into too much. 

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jalen-ramsey-mocks-panthers-hire-of-former-jaguars-coach-perry-fewell/fuhcjq1mgoo419l42qcrypufw

The message was sent to Corn Elder and Rashaan Gaulden, current defensive backs for the Panthers. Ramsey is friends with both players, saying Gaulden would win Rookie of the Year back in July.

It's not clear exactly why Ramsey had issues with Fewell. Jacksonville had a lot of success with him as its DB coach, boasting the No. 1 pass defense in 2017 (170 ypg) and the No. 2 pass defense in 2018 (195 ypg). There aren't any reports on the two having an issue with one another, although Fewell did admit onceRamsey is "not always easy to deal with."