Tepper has "no idea" whether Cam Newton needs surgery

[panthers55]

Just now, electro's horse said:

ADA covers that but there are certain "exceptions" that vary person to person depending on how good your lawyer is.

Plus if you disclose info that prevents the person from gaining employment they can potentially sue for damages but it an uphill climb especially if the information is true. 

[JARROD]

See, he’s not a leader or higher management,.. he’s a hedge fund sit in your cave kind of dude,...

the Captain of a ship or a Battallion commander always has the answer, never says “I have no idea”. He should have said “everything is being evaluated” or something to that effect. 

That causes hysteria.... shows weakness,.. gets the peanut gallery chirping—

Leaders put that poo down— Tepper isn’t one so here we go.

should be interesting though, he says the truth ha.

 

[Mr. Scot]

MLJ offers his analysis...
 

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No one in the Carolina Panthers’ organization — not owner David Tepper, nor coach Ron Rivera nor quarterback Cam Newton, himself — can say with certainty what this offseason will bring for Newton’s surgically-repaired right shoulder. Not publicly, at least.

What Tepper has made clear, however, is the team is not zeroing-in on Newton making a full recovery before the 2019 season begins. Call it preparing for the worst, if you will.

The Panthers’ owner said he doesn’t know if Newton will require his second shoulder surgery since 2017 this offseason, but priority number one is getting him back on the field.

“The only thing that’s safe to me to say is from our people inside and his people on the outside. There’s a lot of people looking to figure out what’s the best course of action,” Tepper said. “Hopefully, he’ll be better and good in the first game of the year.”

 

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The Panthers eventually shut Newton down for the team’s final two games of the season, paving the way for Taylor Heinicke and Kyle Allen to make the first two starts of their careers.

Both quarterbacks were injured during their respective starts — a product of an offensive line Tepper said “looked like a disaster.” But Allen’s performance in the season finale affected confidence within the organization, enough to make Allen one of the options the Panthers will consider if Newton misses time in 2019.

“We are a little bit — not a lot — but a little bit happier after seeing a performance in the last game of the year by Kyle,” Tepper said. “Everybody has to be a little happier after that, but we have to recognize that we may have to do things through the year if (Newton’s shoulder doesn’t get better).

“We’ve got to make sure we have our options open in all ways possible, just in case. We’re all hoping everything will be great - and it could be great. Look at (the Colts’ Andrew) Luck this year. Who knows?”

 

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That final tidbit from the first-year owner should perk a few ears up throughout the fanbase. Luck missed the entire 2017 season with a shoulder injury similar to Newton’s, but he returned in 2018 to lead the Indianapolis Colts to the NFC Divisional round.

Does that mean Carolina would consider shutting Newton down for the 2019 season? If it means he’ll make a full recovery, yes.

“If you told me that he took a year off and could be fully recovered and everything else and that’s what it took, an extra year, why wouldn’t you do that?” Tepper said. “Now, we would have to do other things and we’d have to go out and get another quarterback, which, if you could find me some more cap space, I’d appreciate that.”

 

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Tepper’s point brings us back to the aforementioned preparation for the worst. The Panthers can hope for Newton to make a full recovery all they’d like, but they won’t do so without a backup plan in place. It just so happens, several starting-caliber quarterbacks will be available this offseason.

Nick Foles will test free agency after once again taking over for Carson Wentz and leading the Philadelphia Eagles to the playoffs. But he may be too expensive, and his play over the past two seasons has likely earned him a multi-year deal as a starter.

The Baltimore Ravens will reportedly move on from former Super Bowl MVP Joe Flacco, who will likely attract teams needing a short-term starter. Same deal with Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who’s made a career out of overachieving as a stop-gap quarterback.

Or the Panthers could sign a veteran to back up Allen. Either way, it doesn’t appear the team will look to the NFL draft to solve potential quarterback problems.

 

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Whatever Carolina decides, Tepper says it’ll be with the team’s long-term success in mind. So go ahead and rule out tanking if Newton can’t play.

“When you make a decision … you want to keep your options open as much as you possibly can, and you’d like to put yourself in a position to win,” he said. “Not a position to lose, but a position to win. That means you keep your options open and try to have as much space as you possibly can.

“You know what you might be facing next year — or not facing. Hopefully, Cam’s shoulder is fantastic and we’re all happy. If it’s not, you may need more cap space. You may need to be able to go out and find somebody. If you don’t, you guys are going to be writing what a dope we are around here.

“You want to put yourself as best you can in a position to win, and I’m talking for the long term.”

Panthers hoping for the best, preparing for the worst on Newton's health

[JARROD]

I mean, imagine Steve Jobs has come out in front of everyone for a public Apple announcement and said “I have no idea what the status of our iPhone is, whether it’s broken or not. I have no clue”

Apple would have tanked.

Tepper just confirmed to me what I’ve thought just from how he made his money and what he does—- he doesn’t lead manage or build organizations— he’s a cave dweller that struck it rich— 

Elon Musk “I have no idea what the status of Tesla is, whether it will survive production or not”

tank— hysteria—

Tepper— “i have no idea about Cam”

burn down the stadium, cause more weirdos showing up here in the forum spouting Cams a hypochondriac or something.

what a blunder

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, JARROD said:

See, he’s not a leader or higher management,.. he’s a hedge fund sit in your cave kind of dude,...

the Captain of a ship or a Battallion commander always has the answer, never says “I have no idea”. He should have said “everything is being evaluated” or something to that effect. 

That causes hysteria.... shows weakness,.. gets the peanut gallery chirping—

Leaders put that poo down— Tepper isn’t one so here we go.

should be interesting though, he says the truth ha.

 

Actually in the financial world Tepper is a leader and trend setter. The bank stock recovery after the Wall Street fiasco was termed the "Tepper Effect" when he told markets that things would recovery. That is where he made billions. By the way he is accumulating cash and selling off many positions right now in anticipation of a slowdown in 2019.

[JARROD]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

MLJ offers his analysis...
 

 

 

 

 

Panthers hoping for the best, preparing for the worst on Newton's health

That whole article is the kind of hysterical crap caused by Teppers lack of leadership and ability to have command.

if he would simply have said “Cams being evaluated and we will know more soon but everything points to a full recovery so we can get back to kicking ass”

what could people write about that? 

Cave dweller

[JARROD]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually in the financial world Tepper is a leader and trend setter. The bank stock recovery after the Wall Street fiasco was termed the "Tepper Effect" when he told markets that things would recovery. That is where he made billions. By the way he is accumulating cash and selling off many positions right now in anticipation of a slowdown in 2019.

Playing the matrix in your office and making a few announcements about it has nothing to do with running a real company, innovating real products, and managing hope and PR so your company stock stays up or climbs.

the guy has no management experience with people— just spreadsheets, risk metrics and such.

remember he makes money when companies tank— again,... loner, not a manager or a leader.

 

[panthers55]

Just now, JARROD said:

That whole article is the kind of hysterical crap caused by Tellers lack of leadership and ability to have command.

if he would simply have said “Cams being evaluated and we will know more soon but everything points to a full recovery so we can get back to kicking ass”

what could people write about that? 

Cave dweller

Stop. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. When Tepper talks investing it is like Warren Buffet. 

The reason he doesn't know if Cam needs surgery is likely because the doctors always recommend nonsurgical procedures like rest and rehab before considering more surgery. Especially if the MRIs don't show more damage.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

doctors always recommend nonsurgical procedures like rest and rehab before considering more surgery. 

thats incorrect

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

Playing the matrix in your office and making a few announcements about it has nothing to do with running a real company, innovating real products, and managing hope and PR so your company stock stays up or climbs.

the guy has no management experience with people— just spreadsheets, risk metrics and such.

 

Again you have no clue what you are talking about. He manages a number of companies and employees. What he doesn't care about is PR to raise stock prices on the Panthers when it is privately held and he has it all. Plus the value of franchises is set by the league and owners not public opinion or stock prices. Stop, you are embarrassing yourself and worst of all you don't even know it 

[Cookie Lyon]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Bullpoo.

A guy who is under contract for multi-millions of dollars whose health is vital to the success of an organization?

If such a person refuses to get procedures done (especially non-invasive procedures) that the organization has determined are critically needed, those persons can have their contracts revised (canceled bonuses) or terminated.

That's like saying a record company who signs a singer who gets his throat damaged "can't force a guy" to get checked out so that he can sing in the future so that the company can earn their money back.  I mean, yeah, you can't pick up a guy physically and cuff him and cram him into the machine to get him checked out, but there are plenty of other non-physical measures they can take.

But, from all appearances, they haven't.

That, in and of itself, should tell you a lot.

This

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

thats incorrect

No it isn't when there is every belief that nonsurgical procedures will resolve the problem. If surgery were the best option it likely would have occurred to avoid the problem in 2017 when surgery was delayed.

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Stop. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. When Tepper talks investing it is like Warren Buffet. 

The reason he doesn't know if Cam needs surgery is likely because the doctors always recommend nonsurgical procedures like rest and rehab before considering more surgery. Especially if the MRIs don't show more damage.

Yeh I have no idea what I’m talking about. Not about the billions anyway— but the part I posted about being a leader and what you say to people when you have a true leadership role is the truth.

the point is, a CEO of a real company, a true leader of something real does not say he “doesn’t know”— it’s kinda in a lot of books— so argue with that if you want but there’s a whole lot of smart people in history that you would be calling idiots.

the article MR Scot posted is an example of what happens when you say “I don’t know” look at what “I don’t know” caused. Think about how our discussion would be different had he said something to the effect that I said,.. by the way, I learned that from a pretty smart guy,.. General Krulak— I think he knows something about being a leader.

you say, “ still being evaluated, everything is very promising and on track to turn next season around” 

That is all

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

Bullpoo.

A guy who is under contract for multi-millions of dollars whose health is vital to the success of an organization?

If such a person refuses to get procedures done (especially non-invasive procedures) that the organization has determined are critically needed, those persons can have their contracts revised (canceled bonuses) or terminated.

Yeah, that's the real problem, isn't it?

basically if you get good odds on the panthers drafting kyler murray you should take it.