Marty Hurney tried to trade up to get Greg Little as early as the No. 21 overall pick in the first round

[rippadonn]

15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Bro, it better be Eastern NC BBQ'ed.

We'll have to go old school and dig a BBQ pit.

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Have to agree to disagree. JR did have his hands on everything. The Jake Delhomme contract, who could or couldn't be on the team. Would Eric Reid be here if JR was here? No, and we wouldn't have benefited from him plugging that hole last season, last minute. Jerry limited the team in many many many ways.

Would Jerry Jones give up his star defensive tackle because of shaky accusations that resulted in nothing legally and because the media wanted a sacrifice? I really don't think so.

Hurney has owned up to the bad contract extensions.  Did JR have some say, yes, but JR did not put the nuts and bolts of those contracts together, Hurney did.  Also, if JR had that much of the final say in operations, do you think he would have allowed Gettleman to ditch Smitty and Norman the way he did?  Again, JR obviously had his input, but the coach and GM ultimately make the operations decisions.

JR had one underlining agenda, don't damage the brand.  To that end, no Reid would not have been here last year, but he wasn't the only safety on the market either.  Remember there was a glut of FA safeties last offseason.  The team felt he was the best one out there and was their choice, but it wasn't for a lack of options.

[rippadonn]

So did Tepper damage the brand?

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, rippadonn said:

So did Tepper damage the brand?

Management wouldn't have brought him here if they thought it would.  

[rippadonn]

Would Tepper damage the brand? Is willfully trying to win football games damaging the brand or was it playing to win the moralitybowl like some kind of moral gentleman who hates controversy and dreadlocks?

[frash.exe]

this is in no way a defense of richardson, but he isn’t the only owner who would’ve forbid his executives from bringing eric reid in. if he were then we never would’ve had a shot at him.

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Would Tepper damage the brand? Is willfully trying to win football games damaging the brand or was it playing to win the moralitybowl like some kind of moral gentleman who hates controversy and dreadlocks?

It was a calculated risk to be sure and continues to be a touchy subject to some.  The whole Reid thing has been beaten to death, so let's not rehash it.  My whole thing was it seemed you were scapegoating JR for the past ills of the organization when operations is generally not what the owner handles on a daily basis unless, again, it's Jerry Jones.

[rippadonn]

4 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

this is in no way a defense of richardson, but he isn’t the only owner who would’ve forbid his executives from bringing eric reid in. if he were then we never would’ve had a shot at him.

Tepper did the opposite of 30+. I liked his gumption. That didn't hurt the brand. As a day one fan I'm happy to see an owner here with a brass pair. Our DLine and the Superbowl may have had a better cast had better decisions been made.

[rippadonn]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

It was a calculated risk to be sure and continues to be a touchy subject to some.  The whole Reid thing has been beaten to death, so let's not rehash it.  My whole thing was it seemed you were scapegoating JR for the past ills of the organization when operations is generally not what the owner handles on a daily basis unless, again, it's Jerry Jones.

You guys are here scapegoating Marty. Marty2.0 may just be a better GM because of Tepper. Anybody thought of that?

[rippadonn]

JR limited this franchise in many ways including financially. He'd try every other year and refused to do a lot of things financially and morally. You can't tell me that those limitations gave Marty everything he needed to do what him or Fox or Rivera wanted to do on the football field. JR wasn't absentee he was here and everybody knows that so took constantly bang on Marty 1.0 isn't fair either. He's killing now. Experience is a good thing. So is another chance at it all. I don't think he's taking this for granted.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

You guys are here scapegoating Marty. Marty2.0 may just be a better GM because of Tepper. Anybody thought of that?

That's not how this structure works.  Giving a stamp of approval is not the same as actually running operations.  So far Marty 2.0 has managed the cap better, free agency better and not let his personal feelings for players dictate his operational  goals.  What is left to be seen is if Marty 2.0 can draft better than Marty 1.0.   That's what was being debated here.

[jb2288]

Thank God nobody accepted his trade (our 2nd and a 3rd maybe) but it makes me feel pretty good Hurney saw this guy as a first round pick. He's been money picking there 

[rippadonn]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

That's not how this structure works.  Giving a stamp of approval is not the same as actually running operations.  So far Marty 2.0 has managed the cap better, free agency better and not let his personal feelings for players dictate his operational  goals.  What is left to be seen is if Marty 2.0 can draft better than Marty 1.0.   That's what was being debated here.

Drafting well into the third round is just one example then because 1.0 would only hit on first and maybe the second. In hindsight his last draft may end up being one of the best in franchise history.

[kungfoodude]

49 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

We'll have to go old school and dig a BBQ pit.