Little signs

[MasterAwesome]

10 hours ago, Toomers said:

  You quoted me first. You’re confused because you read what you wanted it to say to start an argument. 

  When a person states, directly, that a player shouldn’t be criticized because playing at a high level in the SEC should be enough for anyone. WTF. Jesus H. But that’s not enough....OK. 

 And what would be more relevant to that statement than recent draft history. Which is all I posted. How is it not relevant? And like I asked him.....what opinion do you want to hear? You think he will succeed...I don’t. We spent months going over this. We are all just waiting now. And how does any of that “debunk” his statement more than what I posted? I’m sure me saying he has horrible feet and poor effort and has gotten by on reputation more than merit would be treated like gospel. If I post opinions you want facts. 

  

I know I quoted you first...that’s how discussions work. I’m all for discussion and discourse, you’re the one who keeps quoting me back and saying “let’s just ignore each other” and yet here we still are lol.

Yet again you’re being highly hypocritical. If you’re content with reading into his original post and inferring the claim that no one is allowed to criticize Little because he was successful as an LT in the SEC, then you have to concede that we can also infer from your post(s) that you think Little is going to be a bust. You’re presenting your argument as something along the lines of “Well I’m not saying Little is going to be a bust...but hey look at this disproportionate list of highly touted LTs in the SEC that busted in the NFL”. By making that association and lumping him in with that crowd, it’s not a huge leap to deduce a sense that you’re trying to disingenuously paint Little as a bust before he takes a snap. You also went on to make a statistical claim that because of that previous list you mentioned, we can deduce that Little has twice the chance of becoming a bust. I’m not saying that’s how you legitimately feel, but can you see the parallels between the two?

Speaking of parallels...again this goes back to my point of Brian Burns. You say “what is more relevant than recent draft history?”, yet you don’t apply that to Brian Burns? Recent draft history (or you could even say comprehensive draft history) of Florida State pass rushers doesn’t bode well for Burns. This is why I think there are inconsistencies in your reasoning.

You’ve alluded a couple times to the fact that you’ve already gone over Little’s flaws for months in other threads but I’m not familiar with those discussions. I still think that is the much more interesting discussion to be had versus the reductive argument of “here are other players from his conference that busted”. I know I know, you were responding to what you feel was him deflecting any criticism because Little was successful in the SEC. I don’t think you understand what “directly” means though, if you think he directly stated that a player shouldn’t be criticized because playing at a high level in the SEC should be enough for anyone. You can argue that he indirectly stated that...but without the direct, explicit claim, then we’re just resorting to going in circles of your interpretation versus my interpretation.

But hey now we’re actually getting somewhere...ok so he has horrible feet and poor effort and he got by on reputation rather than merit. Now I would respond to that by asking you how he was successful enough to only allow pressure on 2.6% of pass plays? The only way I could see that is if he played against terrible competition...but again, we’re talking about the SEC. To me, the conclusion doesn’t logically follow from your premises...horrible feet and effort sounds pretty catastrophic for a LT, so I wouldn’t expect one with those characteristics to have experienced so much consistent success in college.

I don’t demand facts when it comes to college prospects...scouting is largely subjective, or else every team’s BPA draft board would look virtually identical. I welcome all opinions in discussions like these.

[Rubi]

One of his best assets is his movement ability. Not sure where toomers is getting the poor feet from. 

He did go to auburn and watched football on tv so...

[bandu]

well here is a FACT...Jeremy Igo doesn't like offensive lineman that played their college ball at LITTLe schools... just saying

[bythenbrs]

On 6/19/2019 at 12:36 PM, ChibCU said:

Any large signs?

Let's not make a Moton out of a mole hill...

[Rubi]

6 hours ago, stbugs said:

It’s likely from the combine. I watched the OL drills and Little was honestly terrible. It’s the main reason I am really worried about him. If he was truly an athletic LT with a great pedigree he’s a top 10 pick. I think we could have waited until 47 and still gotten him. LTs as you’ve described don’t go in the 2nd without a lot of teams thinking he won’t be as good in the NFL. We could be right and they’re wrong but in the mirror drill and the change of direction/hip swivel drills, he looked like one of the worst guys out there. Maybe he didn’t take the combine seriously sort of like some of his cons where he’s not a high motor 110% effort guy. I hope that’s the case because what I saw was not a tackle with good movement ability. He’s on the team so hopefully it’s an Orlando Brown (his combine was far worse) situation where he steps up in the NFL.

Valid and I understand what you’re saying. I will say during games he looked like a beast and shut down anything coming at him from what I watched. There was a run on lineman starting to happen right about when they went to get him so maybe they felt like he was about to go. I also think the last few drafts there has been an emphasis on defensive edge talent and that’s pushing other positions down the board in general.