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[JARROD]

8 hours ago, R2-D2 said:

Pancreatitis is fairly common. 

The doctor did not look you in the face and said he had 200 confirmed cases of weed induced AP you either misunderstood, misheard, or are lying. 

Same type of thing that was said when it came out that tobacco causes cancer,.. 

believe what you want to. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

11 hours ago, JARROD said:

I’ve seen people get very hyper on weed,.. and a few that got really psycho scared,.. like schizophrenic and almost had to be hospitalized for it.

another one has developed chronic pancreatitis and other issues, painful colic, night sweats etc,.. it’s a syndrome called Cannabinoid Hyperemesis syndrome.

drugs are drugs— don’t let a love of them control reality.

just defending them is addiction talking.

AA and DA can help,..

keep in mind that just 35 years ago people were defending Tobacco the same way,.. oh it’s natural,... God given,.. natural doesn’t hurt you,.. helps you breathe and live longer ha,..

lovely 

[Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D.]

19 minutes ago, JARROD said:

There are plenty of studies coming out to support it. More and more cases are coming out all the time. 

And it has been shown to cause pancreatitis,... just the truth. Maybe read more, use critical thinking instead of discounting.

and I am informed. I think you are not.

its pointless to speak with addicts with facts about something they defend with their lifeblood. 

 

I don't use marijuana, interesting leap you made there.

[JARROD]

10 hours ago, Mage said:

You are right, everyone reacts differently.

However, the odds of him knowing multiple people who became almost "schizophrenic" because of it and/or almost got hospitalized for it is maybe .01%.  

And how would weed cause pancreatitis lol?

Again,.. weed was never that much of an issue until the last few years, so studies are still relatively new.

in the early days of tobacco,.. all the companies and people said the same things.

i was at a hairdresser a month ago,.. a girl there shared vape weed with the hairdresser.

then she had a panic attack,.. thought she was having a heart attack,. Went completely paranoid and lost it. She’s was ok at the hospital.

all the people here going off the deep in attacking me for saying something that is very true are just defending something they love without any logic or truth at all.

jesus, I met people before after all these years and studies about tobacco say their granddaddy was alive until 102 smoking so it’s not bad and bullshit.

its the same thing all over again.

do what you guys want... believe what you want. Call people liars that say something that goes against your love,... it’s a waste of time for me to take the time to share. Gee, like I have such a big reason to lie or be misinformed enough to give a crap about posting this on a football forum...

im just as much of a loser as everyone here for arguing about it online in faceless gutless environment.

[Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D.]

42 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Again,.. weed was never that much of an issue until the last few years, so studies are still relatively new.

in the early days of tobacco,.. all the companies and people said the same things.

i was at a hairdresser a month ago,.. a girl there shared vape weed with the hairdresser.

then she had a panic attack,.. thought she was having a heart attack,. Went completely paranoid and lost it. She’s was ok at the hospital.

all the people here going off the deep in attacking me for saying something that is very true are just defending something they love without any logic or truth at all.

jesus, I met people before after all these years and studies about tobacco say their granddaddy was alive until 102 smoking so it’s not bad and bullshit.

its the same thing all over again.

do what you guys want... believe what you want. Call people liars that say something that goes against your love,... it’s a waste of time for me to take the time to share. Gee, like I have such a big reason to lie or be misinformed enough to give a crap about posting this on a football forum...

im just as much of a loser as everyone here for arguing about it online in faceless gutless environment.

It is just that you are making claims based off personal antidote versus real research.  The idea that marijuana hasn't been researched since the 1930s is laughable at best.  You believe there is some conspiracy to cover facts or that our personal beliefs are clouding our judgement when honestly, you appear to have some strange agenda.  It comes off very weird.  

[JARROD]

19 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D. said:

It is just that you are making claims based off personal antidote versus real research.  The idea that marijuana hasn't been researched since the 1930s is laughable at best.  You believe there is some conspiracy to cover facts or that our personal beliefs are clouding our judgement when honestly, you appear to have some strange agenda.  It comes off very weird.  

Laughable at statements without facts,.. dude,..before 2000 most studies were just reports, not studies, and definitely not authenticated case studies or double blind testing. Definitely not with the scrutiny that alcohol and tobacco have had.

most were also reported for medical use,..anesthetic and also sexual suppressant(why they hell would you want that?) 

there has been virtually zero for long term chronic use and long term heavy use effects until recently.

anyway,.. the difference is I have no love or hate for it, don’t care what people do, voted for medical use here in Florida. You guys love something, just look for websites that confirm your bias and call it a day. 

thats what is laughable.

what is not is calling someone a liar who has no vested interest in making up personal stories or occurrences on a faceless forum. That’s cowardice.

 

 

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D. said:

I don't use marijuana, interesting leap you made there.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/long-term-effects

just one of many.

it helps to understand why I saw a girl have a really bad panic attack, had to go to the hospital last month thinking she was having a heart attack.

it also makes people dumber,.. 

the pancreatitis thing so far is case study mostly. However the fact that 12 cases being reported does cover up the cases that don’t get reported simply because that “leap” hasn’t been made yet.

and that’s the “no conclusive” proof argument big tobacco used for many many years.

the new stuff is 200 times as strong as the old stuff,.. and that hasn’t been thoroughly studied in itself long enough. It’s still just too new.

the bottom line is love and do it or don’t,... believe it or not, care or don’t. 

Years from now the brutal truth will come out.

[Mage]

13 hours ago, 45catfan said:

It's funny how people that smoke weed get bent out of shape of the slightest critical remark.  I used to smoke it when I was much younger just for context.  It's like they are scared that now it's more main stream, that critical remarks is somehow going to make it less legal (where legal) or more criminalized than it already is.  Don't stigmatize my drug of choice just as it is becoming more accepted!  I could care less one way or the other, just merely pointing out how sensitive and defensive smokers get about their beloved pot.

 

Nobody is bent out of shape. However stating or implying weed causes pancreatic issues can't be proven to be true, so coming up with situations and saying "it must be weed" is foolish.  So yes I’m going to call him out on spreading misinformed opinions.  

But since you seem to agree with him.  Explain to me how smoking weed hurts your pancreas.  I'm not saying it doesn't, but I have no idea as to how it could so I would definitely like to be educated.

 

[Mage]

13 hours ago, R2-D2 said:

It’s possible but incredibly rare. 99/100 someone presenting with acute pancreatitis is going to have polysubstance abuse, and 99/100 that person will also have weed so it’s difficult to differentiate. 

There is some available literature however. 

 

 

Source?  Not saying this isn’t true but I’m not finding information. 

Actually, when I googled “weed pancreas”, the only results that came up were how weed could possibly treat pancreatic cancer.  The closest thing I got to a source was this:

http://pancreas.imedpub.com/acute-pancreatitis-secondary-to-marijuana-consumption.php?aid=9028

Data is lacking regarding the pathophysiology and role of cannabis in acute pancreatitis. While the role of marijuana in acute pancreatitis is not yet defined it remains an important differential in cases without a clear etiology. As such urine toxicology screen should be part of the laboratory work up for all idiopathic cases of acute pancreatitis.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/long-term-effects

You gotta be a company that sells addiction treatment to talk about "marijuana rehab". L-O-fuging-L!!!

[Mage]

3 hours ago, JARROD said:

Again,.. weed was never that much of an issue until the last few years, so studies are still relatively new.

in the early days of tobacco,.. all the companies and people said the same things.

i was at a hairdresser a month ago,.. a girl there shared vape weed with the hairdresser.

then she had a panic attack,.. thought she was having a heart attack,. Went completely paranoid and lost it. She’s was ok at the hospital.

all the people here going off the deep in attacking me for saying something that is very true are just defending something they love without any logic or truth at all.

First of all, someone smoking weed and suddenly having a panic attack and needing to go to the hospital is ludicrous.  It means it probably wasn't weed.  Second, even if it was weed, causation /=/ correlation.  There is likely more at play than weed and it could have been a condition that was triggered.  

But that is why I don't believe you.  Because that's just ridiculous.  It either didn't happen, it wasn't weed, or she had another condition.  Explain to me how marijuana in a normal human being triggers hospital-worthy panic attacks that resemble a heart attack (I don't think you know what a heart attack is).  This isn't LSD or mushrooms we are talking about, where I suppose someone could panic to the point that it looks like a heart attack.  As someone who has had a panic attack after smoking, I have never heard of anyone getting so high they needed to go to the hospital.  Unless that was literally her first time smoking.  And if that was the case, then yeah her thinking something was wrong rather than she was simply high as hell makes sense.  There is just no way you can say with certainty weed was the direct cause of that.  

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it also makes people dumber,..

The thing is you keep making statements that can't be proven.  Your only defense is, "people defended tobacco too."  What evidence do you have, beyond your supposed first-person experiences, that supports the theory that marijuana directly causes people to be stupid?  

[Mage]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You gotta be a company that sells addiction treatment to talk about "marijuana rehab". L-O-fuging-L!!!

And the thing is, nobody is denying that there are medical risks with marijuana.  Inhaling any kind of smoke is obviously not the best thing for the body.

But compared to alcohol or just about any other drug?  Weed (with the available knowledge that we have right now) isn't ish, which is our point.  Even look at that source.  Most of the issues they listed were miniscule in the grand scheme of things and are mostly just "worst-case" scenarios.  Like two of there negative health effects listed were "smokers with heart disease are more likely to have a heart attack" and "smoking while pregnant could hurt the kid".  Who the hell smokes with a heart disease and who smokes while pregnant (don't answer, I know some parents and people do but that is on the parent/person and not weed).

While yes it is true there is more research to be done on marijuana, information that we presently have show it likely has more positive benefits than negative.  Comparing it to tobacco doesn't make much sense.  While yes, both involve inhaling smoke, weed doesn't have the additives or chemicals that cigarettes have (which is the real killer).  Also a cig smoker is smoking more (on an average day) a lot more cigs in a day than a weed smoker is smoking blunts/joints/etc.  There is no amount of research that will ever show weed as being anywhere near as dangerous as cigarettes.  Or at least not as high of a risk to achieve that danger.

[Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D.]

I worked at a clinic treating non-epileptic psychogenic seizures and panic attacks and have actually been published on the topic.  If you want to argue the legitimacy of marijuana as a serious somatic trigger, you might be out of your element.

[electro's horse]

4 hours ago, JARROD said:

Same type of thing that was said when it came out that tobacco causes cancer,.. 

believe what you want to. 

people were speaking about the dangers of smoking in the late 19th century. the only people that were saying smoking was fine were the people that were paid by the tobacco industry to do so. There was a literal conspiracy to lie to people about the dangers of cigarettes that was eventually settled in federal court and basically wiped them off the face of the map as a political force. like a literal act of congress was required to do that.

people have been smoking marijuana for literally millenia. its health benefits have been documented since the goddamn egyptians. there is nothing even remotely similar to the tobacco industry as far as scope and power buying off doctors to say its healthy. The THC molecule is probably the most studied and analyzed molecule in the whole of human history. 

you are stupid and bad and making pathetic false equivalencies and you should stop talking because "hey they said the same thing about tobacco just saying" doesn't make you sound smart; it makes you look like a reductionist jackass who lives to be the smartest guy sitting at the bar at hooters at 1030 pm on a wednesday