Tragic: Bucs set to move on from Jameis Winston after season

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Iron Saint said:

How so? In his 7 years in Tampa, Gruden only drafted 3 QB’s: 

• Chris Simms (3rd rounder)
• Bruce Gradkowski (6th rounder)
• Josh Johnson (5th rounder)

Now if he was whiffing on 1st round QB after 1st round QB I could understand but he didn’t.

Hell, he didn’t even have a 1st round pick until 2004 since the Buccaneers traded them away to get Gruden, LOL.

Where are those guys now, though?

How Gruden got a rep for being a quarterback guru is beyond me. I can't think of a single quarterback he developed. Everybody he had any success with was already a veteran.

The ones he tried to develop, he was continually cycling in and out. Never stuck with anybody long enough for them to get a rhythm.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

He would probably make an excellent GM. He always has such good luck finding the people he's looking for. 

He also does a bang up job at negotiating.

Cute daughter, too.

 

 

 

I probably wouldn't ask her out 

[Iron Saint]

42 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Scared of his 56% career winning percentage against us? Lol. Suuuuure.

56% > 46.7%

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Where are those guys now, though?

How Gruden got a rep for being a quarterback guru is beyond me. I can't think of a single quarterback he developed. Everybody he had any success with was already a veteran.

The ones he tried to develop, he was continually cycling in and out. Never stuck with anybody long enough for them to get a rhythm.

I don’t think it’s that he got it from developing QB’s but moreso that he got the most out of some real bottom of the barrel talent.

As an OC, had back-to-back 10-6 seasons in 1995 and 1996 with Rodney Peete and Ty Detmer at QB which he parlayed into a HC gig two years later.

Then in Oakland, he took Gannon who had a career record of 31-27, 66 TD to 53 INT, 57.1% completion % and 76.1 QB rating as a starter and in Gannon’s first four years in Oakland, he went 41-23, 105 TD to 44 INT, 63.4 completion %, 93.2 QB rating, and  racked up 4 Pro Bowls, 2 1st Team All-Pros, and a MVP.

Now I know Gruden wasn’t there in 2002, but considering they ran the exact offense Gruden installed and didn't even as much bother to change the verbiage, it’s safe to say without Gannon’s previous 3 seasons of success in that offense under Gruden, his MVP season in 2002 never happens.

[BionicBunny]

Why would they move on from Jameis, when they hired Bruce Arians and coaching staff to fix him

Do you thnk they will move from the coaching staff too.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, BionicBunny said:

Why would they move on from Jameis, when they hired Bruce Arians and coaching staff to fix him

Do you thnk they will move from the coaching staff too.

I'm pretty sure Arians and the coaching staff were behind this decision.

[SBiii]

Has Winston been officially sat down for the rest of the season?

[PleaseCutStewart]

Watch Winston put up MVP numbers now that the Bucs said they are moving on from him 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

I don’t think it’s that he got it from developing QB’s but moreso that he got the most out of some real bottom of the barrel talent.

As an OC, had back-to-back 10-6 seasons in 1995 and 1996 with Rodney Peete and Ty Detmer at QB which he parlayed into a HC gig two years later.

Then in Oakland, he took Gannon who had a career record of 31-27, 66 TD to 53 INT, 57.1% completion % and 76.1 QB rating as a starter and in Gannon’s first four years in Oakland, he went 41-23, 105 TD to 44 INT, 63.4 completion %, 93.2 QB rating, and  racked up 4 Pro Bowls, 2 1st Team All-Pros, and a MVP.

Now I know Gruden wasn’t there in 2002, but considering they ran the exact offense Gruden installed and didn't even as much bother to change the verbiage, it’s safe to say without Gannon’s previous 3 seasons of success in that offense under Gruden, his MVP season in 2002 never happens.

The years with Peete and Detmer were under Andy Reid though.

As guys like Matt Nagy have shown us, this sort of thing can be a bit of an illusion.

[AceBoogie]

Bad decision by the Titans and Bucs. Both QBs are at worst average. Teams fail to develop qbs these days and then move on too quickly from them after not setting them up for success. 

[Mr. Scot]

Prior to this season, Arians had told people that the only team he'd consider coming out of retirement for was the Cleveland Browns.

As I understood, one of the reasons he changed his mind about that was because he believed Winston could be really good.

If that's no longer true, it sure didn't take much time to change his mind.