Did Cam’s dabs and grandiose celebrations lead to his downfall injury wise?

[tiger7_88]

On 10/25/2019 at 10:25 AM, run1stdownrun2nddown said:

Does a QB showboating cause the defenders on the other team to want to "give him a little extra" when they get a chance to lay a hit? Of course it does, not sure why everyone in this thread is playing dumb about what OP said.

Because other times those defenders are happy to be collegial in the spirit of sportsmanship and treat QBs gently.

Right?

Why don’t you morons ever consider the flip-side of your proposition? In other words, have y’all ever considered that Cam’s “antics” had the opposing players so concentrated on “getting” him (and not playing within the bounds of their own scheme) that they made mistakes?  And maybe even provided other players opportunities they wouldn’t otherwise have had because defenders were focused on Cam’s “antics” and “getting” him?

[SBiii]

4 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

How did I know you would cosign a post like this.. on a post that has 66 and counting pop emojis you sir find a way to pie it.top 3 worst poster on the huddle easily.

Hello friend...

Hey, how about we keep it civil and debate the details of the topic?

No personal insults, no "ban" requests....let's dig into the details...

...whadya say?

As for my assertions that Cam's histrionics ended up costing him "extra" on the hits he took.....

.....exactly what of said assertions do you take issue with?

Exactly where am I wrong?

Please be specific.

Thanks in advance pal...

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

3 hours ago, SBiii said:

Hello friend...

Hey, how about we keep it civil and debate the details of the topic?

Not all worth topics are worth debating.

Topics like this one, that are clearly put forward by people who have no clue what they are talking about.

3 hours ago, SBiii said:

As for my assertions that Cam's histrionics ended up costing him "extra" on the hits he took.....

.....exactly what of said assertions do you take issue with?

Exactly where am I wrong?

Its not on me to prove you are wrong.  Its on you to prove you are right.  Burden of proof is always on the people making the claim.  There is no proof being given.

[Borat]

This is an all-time thread.

[Zeek]

No.

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[Iron Saint]

Saw this epic, 10-page sh*tshow of a thread and knew it’d deliver. Was not disappointed.

On 10/25/2019 at 11:48 AM, SmokinwithWilly said:

Perfect example, I believe it was a Falcons(could be wrong) game when he was running it in for a TD and slowed down just before crossing the goal line. He didnt just get tackled, he got drilled so hard I thought there was no way he didnt get concussed. A little bit of showboating, little cockiness, little arrogance, whatever you want to call it and he paid the price. Perfectly legal hit that wouldnt have happened if he had just finished the play. He could have celebrated after.

Completely agreee. If we’re remembering the same play, it was against the Saints. I was at that game if so. Was it this one?

On 10/25/2019 at 12:48 PM, Darvinsun said:

People started paying more attention when Cam called the ref out. It went when from 1 maybe to more than one in a game. Where guys like Brees, Brady, Ryan all were getting calls if touched lightly by a defender.

Number of roughing the passer calls each team has been the beneficiary of since 2011...

• Falcons - 32
• Panthers - 30
• Saints - 24
• Patriots - 23

Source - to go year-to-year, change the year in the URL

On 10/25/2019 at 1:39 PM, TheRed said:

Anyone that actually believes a football player celebrating with their teammates justifies literal headhunting to the extreme point of trying to give someone a potential brain injury is beyond reasoning with on any intellectual level. That's some bullshit lower than even Saints fans, and that's pretty fugging low.

Would those posters be above or below those saying a player deserved a potentially serious knee injury for ribbing a player about their height moments earlier? I’m only asking so I can be fully aware of the hierarchy here.

 

[TheRed]

6 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

Saw this epic, 10-page sh*tshow of a thread and knew it’d deliver. Was not disappointed.

Completely agreee. If we’re remembering the same play, it was against the Saints. I was at that game if so. Was it this one?

 

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Number of roughing the passer calls each team has been the beneficiary of since 2011...

• Falcons - 32
• Panthers - 30
• Saints - 24
• Patriots - 23

Source - to go year-to-year, change the year in the URL

Would those posters be above or below those saying a player deserved a potentially serious knee injury for ribbing a player about their height moments earlier? I’m only asking so I can be fully aware of the hierarchy here.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints_bounty_scandal

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[panthers_fan_in_tx]

I say he's injured because he's super large, athletic , and not a sissy like other QBs.  He's a football player.   He gets hurt.   No conspiracy theories necessary although it does seem like refs allow him to take shots that bradybreesrogers would get flags for.  

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

21 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Because other times those defenders are happy to be collegial in the spirit of sportsmanship and treat QBs gently.

Right?

Why don’t you morons ever consider the flip-side of your proposition? In other words, have y’all ever considered that Cam’s “antics” had the opposing players so concentrated on “getting” him (and not playing within the bounds of their own scheme) that they made mistakes?  And maybe even provided other players opportunities they wouldn’t otherwise have had because defenders were focused on Cam’s “antics” and “getting” him?

You want Cam to bring excessive hits upon himself because it will cause the other players to be so focused on that they will make other mistakes? Seems like a weird argument to try to make your point about, but ok.

[Ernesto McGillicuddy]

On 10/25/2019 at 9:03 AM, PanthersNC1984 said:

One thing that has been apparent over the years is it really seems like Cam brings out something in opposing defenders that other QBs don’t. It always seems like when opposing defenders hit or sack Cam, they do it with an agenda and with intensity other QBs just don’t experience. 
 

I think back to alll the times other defenders have mocked his Superman pose and dabs when they sack him. Then the Titans game a few years back when he got in the defender’s face after a TD and rubbed it in.

Or the Bucs game where he slowed down and held out the ball before he reached the end zone in a taunting manner. It’s almost like players see that and it’s frowned upon so they make sure to go extra hard after Cam and “humble” him.

Look at the sacks Kyle Allen has taken so far, just very light, garden variety sacks, definitley not with the same force and aggressiveness as with Cam.

Fair points sir, and pie to you.

Another thing that I think is an underrated factor in Cam's downfall is his decision to put "fashion" (or whatever you call the things he wears) ahead of football. For a long time, I thought his get-ups were silly but harmless...now I'm starting to rethink, for two reasons:

1.) The preening. Everybody can do what they want with their own life, but when your primary interest outside of football - and ahead of football - is playing dress-up games where the dress-up doll is yourself, it bespeaks a certain narcissism, which I think is what has always alienated his teammates everywhere he's gone. It's sort of sad, because he seems like a nice guy in many ways, but there's too much self-involvement for the team to come together around him. You really think teammates are going to block as hard for him as they do for a natural leader like Deshaun Watson? It's very much the same thing that happened around Russell Wilson for years.

2.) The veganism. No one thinks Cam is doing this for animal rights reasons, or for health reasons - it's not even that healthy. It's much more likely, I think, that the veganism angle is an excuse to lose muscle mass, but in a way that he can pass off to staff and fans as acceptable. Quite simply, one of the main issues with Cam's fashion career has always been that he doesn't have the build of the average fashion plate or male model - he's far too muscular. He's pretty clearly trying to slim down to have a more fashion-friendly body, and the veganism is the pretext. The only problem is, from a football perspective, he needed that muscle. It's killing him, and he needs to ask whether he wants to be a catwalk model or a football player. But honestly, I think he's already answered this with his eating choices.

[SBiii]

15 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Burden of proof is always on the people making the claim.  There is no proof being given.

Clearly you have not been paying attention.  You truly believe opposing players haven't given Cam a little "extra" over the years due to his histrionics? That's laughable...

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

49 minutes ago, SBiii said:

Clearly you have not been paying attention.  You truly believe opposing players haven't given Cam a little "extra" over the years due to his histrionics? That's laughable.

Once again, you have the burden of proof.  To show that its happened to Newton specifically because of his "histrionics".  That the same players don't try as hard against other QBs/RBs/

[SBiii]

Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Once again, you have the burden of proof.  To show that its happened to Newton specifically because of his "histrionics".  That the same players don't try as hard against other QBs/RBs/

Res ipsa loquitur...

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 hour ago, Ernesto McGillicuddy said:

Another thing that I think is an underrated factor in Cam's downfall is his decision to put "fashion" (or whatever you call the things he wears) ahead of football.

Just when I think the OP said the stupidest thing possible in this thread.  You go all "hold my beer" on me.