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[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Eh....I am not sure I would call Peyton Manning a game manager. 

The term has come to be used improperly to describe quarterbacks of lesser ability. It shouldn't be.

A game manager is basically a guy who doesn't make a bunch of big plays himself. He distributes it to his offensive weapons and let's them do the job. That was always Manning. Same with Brady.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The term has come to be used improperly to describe quarterbacks of lesser ability. It shouldn't be.

A game manager is basically a guy who doesn't make a bunch of big plays himself. He distributes it to his offensive weapons and let's them do the job. That was always Manning. Same with Brady.

Yeah, I don't think that really jibes with what most would call a "game managing QB." Neither Manning nor Brady would ever fall into the classic definition of a game managing QB. Part of that "game managing QB" definition is relatively statistically unimpressive, which does not apply to either. Also typically used for QB's that rely heavily on other elements to be successful(strong defenses, successful running attacks). Manning and Brady have been more than successful without the other elements, at times. Those are both elite QB's, not game managers. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I don't think that really jibes with what most would call a "game managing QB." Neither Manning nor Brady would ever fall into the classic definition of a game managing QB. Part of that "game managing QB" definition is relatively statistically unimpressive, which does not apply to either. Also typically used for QB's that rely heavily on other elements to be successful(strong defenses, successful running attacks). Manning and Brady have been more than successful without the other elements, at times. Those are both elite QB's, not game managers. 

Game manager describes a style of play, not a level of ability. Same as "big play quarterback" or "gunslinger".

I get that a lot of people use it the other way, but that's wrong. It's also one of the reasons why people incorrectly go nuts with comparisons.

Cam Newton, Brett Favre and Rex Grossman all play similar styles of football. There's just a huge difference in their ability.

 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Game manager describes a style of play, not a level of ability. Same as "big play quarterback" or "gunslinger".

I get that a lot of people use it the other way, but that's wrong. It's also one of the reasons why people incorrectly go nuts with comparisons.

Cam Newton, Brett Favre and Rex Grossman all play similar styles of football. There's just a huge difference in their ability.

 

Yeah, I am gonna say there is not really a wrong answer, since it is technically more informal terminology than anything else. But I will say that you definitely are not using it the way 98+% of people are. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am gonna say there is not really a wrong answer, since it is technically more informal terminology than anything else. But I will say that you definitely are not using it the way 98+% of people are. 

It's how it's come to be used. I get that.

It's just incorrect.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's how it's come to be used. I get that.

It's just incorrect.

Well, I think what you just described is also what happens in language all the time.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, I think what you just described is also what happens in language all the time.

Granted.

"Ain't" ain't really a word.

[!stUp]

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, !stUp said:

Also in Louisiana...

[panthers55]

Agree that game manager has become a term used to deride quarterbacks as possessing limited upside or ability.  But as Scot said it is more a style of play. Brady is the GOAT and his style is dink and dunk get the ball out and slowly work your way down the field using a full compliment of teammates. He rarely makes the big play running or tossing the bomb downfield. He is the ultimate system guy, game manager.  He is one of the best game managers for sure. And yeah most Brady fans would howl if you they heard you call him a game manager.

[Moo Daeng]

355 yards and 3.67 TDs per game isnt a game manager. Both are 2nd in FBS..

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

355 yards and 3.67 TDs per game isnt a game manager. Both are 2nd in FBS..

I can point you to a bunch of pre-Mahomes Texas Tech/Air Raid college QB's with video game stats, if you would like.

I am not talking about what he is doing in college, I am talking about him as a future NFL player.

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

355 yards and 3.67 TDs per game isnt a game manager.

Again Brady is a system guy that makes  the best use of his players and actually has consistently made those around him better. The mark of a true leader and great QB. But his style is to make the easy play because he knows how to read and manipulate defenses. That is what game manager means in it's truest form. Someone who can make all the plays and  instead of slinging it down field on risky passes that boom or bust, you throw a running back screen and pop it for 5 yards. 2nd and 5, throw a quick 4 yard pass to a wide out. Run the ball on third and 1. Rinse and repeat. So no you can't use the term without a huge debate because people have preconceived notions about what the term means. But using it to describe many quarterbacks in it's truest form should be a complement not insult. Times and verbage change for sure.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again Brady is a system guy that makes  the best use of his players and actually has consistently made those around him better. The mark of a true leader and great QB. But his style is to make the easy play because he knows how to read and manipulate defenses. That is what game manager means in it's truest form. Someone who can make all the plays and  instead of slinging it down field on risky passes that boom or bust, you throw a running back screen and pop it for 5 yards. 2nd and 5, throw a quick 4 yard pass to a wide out. Run the ball on third and 1. Rinse and repeat. So no you can't use the term without a huge debate because people have preconceived notions about what the term means. But using it to describe many quarterbacks in it's truest form should be a complement not insult. Times and verbage change for sure.

He's talking about Barrow.