Supposing we do hire McDaniels, Caserio or both

[Sgt Schultz]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

A couple of people have said that.

I guess I'm in the camp that while I might find it distasteful, it wouldn't stop me from being a fan. The stuff that puts me off is real world, off-the-field stuff. As far as I know, neither McDaniels nor Caserio have any history of that.

And hey, there's a good chance Caserio is pretty pissed at his former team, so there's that.

I'm in a position some minority of this board shares, one that makes it very easy to just sever ties.  That being distance and lack of access to the Panthers unless I want to pay the cable company for that privilege.  In my case, that is magnified by the fact I watch almost no NFL football anymore other than Panther games that happen to show up on the tube in my area.

At one time I was an NFL fan over and above my allegiance to the team I supported at any given time.  But, that has been eroded by the league's own buffoonery, almost all under the current commissioner.  The sport that I loved has become almost unrecognizable.  That is sad, because the athletes are better and faster, but the sport they play has become more like the WWE in my eyes than the NFL.

So, I suspect if the Panthers hire McDaniels, my distaste for him and his antics is so high I will part company with the Panthers, and that will pretty much end my interest for the NFL in its entirety.  I've been a St. Louis Blues fan for 50 years, and my interest in the NHL is right now is almost as high as my interest in the NFL was in its heyday.

I'm certainly not suggesting others should follow.  Nor am I asking for anyone's approval or judgment, just as I would not judge them for saying it would not at all effect their alliance or having different limits and views than I do.  Different strokes.  But, I am not going to show up as a Broncos or Cardinals fan (closest and most accessible teams to me), instead I'll remain a Blues fan, an NHL fan, and probably adopt the Coyotes as a second team, out of convenience and almost pity.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I'm in a position some minority of this board shares, one that makes it very easy to just sever ties.  That being distance and lack of access to the Panthers unless I want to pay the cable company for that privilege.  In my case, that is magnified by the fact I watch almost no NFL football anymore other than Panther games that happen to show up on the tube in my area.

At one time I was an NFL fan over and above my allegiance to the team I supported at any given time.  But, that has been eroded by the league's own buffoonery, almost all under the current commissioner.  The sport that I loved has become almost unrecognizable.  That is sad, because the athletes are better and faster, but the sport they play has become more like the WWE in my eyes than the NFL.

So, I suspect if the Panthers hire McDaniels, my distaste for him and his antics is so high I will part company with the Panthers, and that will pretty much end my interest for the NFL in its entirety.  I've been a St. Louis Blues fan for 50 years, and my interest in the NHL is right now is almost as high as my interest in the NFL was in its heyday.

I'm certainly not suggesting others should follow.  Nor am I asking for anyone's approval or judgment, just as I would not judge them for saying it would not at all effect their alliance or having different limits and views than I do.  Different strokes.  But, I am not going to show up as a Broncos or Cardinals fan (closest and most accessible teams to me), instead I'll remain a Blues fan, an NHL fan, and probably adopt the Coyotes as a second team, out of convenience and almost pity.

But what if the team starts turning it around?

[Sgt Schultz]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But what if the team starts turning it around?

In my frame of mind about the NFL, that would not matter.  Once the cord is cut, it is cut.  My interest in anything NFL hangs by a thread, and that thread is the Carolina Panthers.  Once that goes.......well, in Mr. Wonderful's words, (the NFL) is dead to me.

My major three NFL allegiances in my lifetime due to where I was have lived are the St. Louis Cardinals (football), 49ers, and the Panthers.  The fact that the longest of those was the Cardinals (circa 69 - 88) should indicate my allegiances are not success dependent.  Actually, my almost life-long allegiance to the St. Louis Blues, which started when I was eight years old (1969) should bolster that.  For those who are not hockey fans, the Blues finally won a championship this past June......50 years after I became a fan.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

In my frame of mind about the NFL, that would not matter.  Once the cord is cut, it is cut.  My interest in anything NFL hangs by a thread, and that thread is the Carolina Panthers.  Once that goes.......well, in Mr. Wonderful's words, (the NFL) is dead to me.

My major three NFL allegiances in my lifetime due to where I was have lived are the St. Louis Cardinals (football), 49ers, and the Panthers.  The fact that the longest of those was the Cardinals (circa 69 - 88) should indicate my allegiances are not success dependent.  Actually, my almost life-long allegiance to the St. Louis Blues, which started when I was eight years old (1969) should bolster that.  For those who are not hockey fans, the Blues finally won a championship this past June......50 years after I became a fan.

I'd encourage you to stick around and see what happens, but ultimately you've gotta be true to yourself.

[PantherGuy]

I don't fully understand why the overwhelming consensus here is anti-McDaniels. I know he didn't do well in Denver, but he still seems like a great coach. Someone correct me if wrong.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, raz said:

the steroid fueled o-line in '03?   

Yep!

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, PantherGuy said:

I don't fully understand why the overwhelming consensus here is anti-McDaniels. I know he didn't do well in Denver, but he still seems like a great coach. Someone correct me if wrong.

He's definitely not my first choice, but objectively speaking, he's arguably got the best resume' of any coaching prospect in the NFL right now, and by a wide margin.

[PantherGuy]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's definitely not my first choice, but objectively speaking, he's arguably got the best resume' of any coaching prospect in the NFL right now, and by a wide margin.

That's what I'm thinking. I don't know enough about the coaching candidates to have a first choice. But it seems silly to dismiss McDaniels out of hand because he didn't do well in Denver. I've seen people mention how Belichick doesn't have a good coaching tree, so maybe that's it.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, PantherGuy said:

That's what I'm thinking. I don't know enough about the coaching candidates to have a first choice. But it seems silly to dismiss McDaniels out of hand because he didn't do well in Denver. I've seen people mention how Belichick doesn't have a good coaching tree, so maybe that's it.

Calling it "not good" is generous. It's terrible.

Of course, so is Andy Reid's but one of his guys recently won a Super Bowl.

I have to admit, the idea of a McDaniels-Caserio tandem is awfully intriguing.

[Sgt Schultz]

Just now, PantherGuy said:

That's what I'm thinking. I don't know enough about the coaching candidates to have a first choice. But it seems silly to dismiss McDaniels out of hand because he didn't do well in Denver. I've seen people mention how Belichick doesn't have a good coaching tree, so maybe that's it.

I think you can Google his tenure in Denver and find a complete list.  In summation, it speaks to a power-hungry coach who was a poor evaluator of talent (both pro and college), ruled everything with an iron fist, dispatched anyone that did not fall into line with him, and did not produce results.  He was the only coach I can think of in my lifetime that I honestly thought was going to be fired 30 days after he was hired, without ever putting a team on the field.

The only coach I can think of that arguably can outdo what McDaniels did in Denver was Schiano in Tampa, who adds the qualifications that he didn't know NFL rules and thus regularly looked like a buffoon during games to his list of credentials.

And for those thinking McDaniels may have matured since Denver, then add the Indy situation.

My guess is he winds up succeeding Belichick in New England, and fails miserably.  That is, assuming we aren't stupid enough to hire him.

[raz]

 

2 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I think you can Google his tenure in Denver and find a complete list.  In summation, it speaks to a power-hungry coach who was a poor evaluator of talent (both pro and college), ruled everything with an iron fist, dispatched anyone that did not fall into line with him, and did not produce results.  He was the only coach I can think of in my lifetime that I honestly thought was going to be fired 30 days after he was hired, without ever putting a team on the field.

The only coach I can think of that arguably can outdo what McDaniels did in Denver was Schiano in Tampa, who adds the qualifications that he didn't know NFL rules and thus regularly looked like a buffoon during games to his list of credentials.

And for those thinking McDaniels may have matured since Denver, then add the Indy situation.

My guess is he winds up succeeding Belichick in New England, and fails miserably.  That is, assuming we aren't stupid enough to hire him.

i can't wait for mcd to burn new england down when the cheat retires.  i hope we don't take him.    also, you could add man campbell in miami to your list of coaches that made total fools of themselves

[RumHam]

Hurney is staying and thats a package deal. Watch us end up with mccarthy. Also shows we may go college coach

[PantherGuy]

6 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I think you can Google his tenure in Denver and find a complete list.  In summation, it speaks to a power-hungry coach who was a poor evaluator of talent (both pro and college), ruled everything with an iron fist, dispatched anyone that did not fall into line with him, and did not produce results.  He was the only coach I can think of in my lifetime that I honestly thought was going to be fired 30 days after he was hired, without ever putting a team on the field.

The only coach I can think of that arguably can outdo what McDaniels did in Denver was Schiano in Tampa, who adds the qualifications that he didn't know NFL rules and thus regularly looked like a buffoon during games to his list of credentials.

And for those thinking McDaniels may have matured since Denver, then add the Indy situation.

My guess is he winds up succeeding Belichick in New England, and fails miserably.  That is, assuming we aren't stupid enough to hire him.

I appreciate the summary. Fair enough.

[PantherGuy]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Calling it "not good" is generous. It's terrible.

Of course, so is Andy Reid's but one of his guys recently won a Super Bowl.

I have to admit, the idea of a McDaniels-Caserio tandem is awfully intriguing.

I'll take your word for it being terrible. I generally pay very little attention to coaches. I just know McDaniels is an offensive coach, and I really want an offensive coach after only having defensive coaches throughout our history. There must be other offensive coaches who would be good too.