Derrick Brown Combine

[MMA]

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You think Brown won't be a top 10 pick?

It would be a shock.

I think that he will be a top 10 pick just because I don’t believe this year to be a very deep DT class. I see Brown as a faster and more athletic Dexter Lawrence. Brown isn’t in the same tier as a prospect of Quinnen Williams last year. 

[AU-panther]

On 3/22/2020 at 4:19 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

I see a lot of people claiming that Brown had a bad Combine. I honestly think that's just because we saw some truly freakish performances from some freakishly large men at this year's Combine.

I like to look at current player comps when looking at Combine performances.

Derrick Brown - 6'5" 326 pounds with 34.25" arms and 9" hands

40: 5.16 seconds

Bench: 28 reps

Vertical: 27"

Broad Jump: 108"

3 cone: 8.22 seconds

20 yard shuttle: 4.79 seconds

The best comps? Just two the best DTs currently in the NFL.

Akiem Hicks - 6'5" 318 pounds with 35" arms and 10.25" hands

40: 5.23 seconds

Bench: 26 reps

Vertical: 31.5"

Broad Jump: 108"

3 cond: 7.75 seconds

20 yard shuttle: 4.86 seconds

Jurrell Casey - 6'1" 300 pounds with 32" arms and 9" hands

40: 5.06 seconds

Bench: 26 reps

Vertical: 27.5"

Broad Jump: 101"

3 cone: 7.75 seconds

20 yard shuttle: 4.78 seconds

 

When you compare Brown's Combine performance with current proven elite NFL DTs instead of guys in his own class who may or may not prove to be workout wonders there's nothing alarming about it.

and neither of them are that great at pass rush, and that's the problem.

I'm not a huge fan of taking a run stopping DT with a top 10 pick.

I love brown, his tape is great, but there are some legitimate concerns about him being able to rush the QB at the next level.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, AU-panther said:

and neither of them are that great at pass rush, and that's the problem.

I'm not a huge fan of taking a run stopping DT with a top 10 pick.

I love brown, his tape is great, but there are some legitimate concerns about him being able to rush the QB at the next level.

Say what? Akiem Hicks has 33.5 career sacks. Casey has 51. For reference, Kawann Short has 32.5.

[AU-panther]

On 3/22/2020 at 7:47 PM, MHS831 said:

I really hope we trade back. 

Here is what we can be about 80% sure of:

The Chargers did not go after a free agent QB after Brady--and seem uninterested.  They are going QB.  They may have to trade down to get one--unless Love is on their minds.

It will be interesting.  If Miami trades down with Washington as rumored for Tua,  then LAC almost half to try to trade with Detroit to keep some team from leaping over them for Herbert.  It is likely that the Chargers go after Herbert.  So let's say The Chargers try to trade with Detroit, but they want Young.  The Giants, knowing that their pick is likely to be there at #6, trade back to #6 and the Chargers take Herbert in the #4 spot.

So the draft goes like this, 1-5:

• Burrow (CIN)
• Tua (MIA) Trade with Redskins for both Dolphins first rounders.
• Herbert (LAC) Detroit GM has been open to trades--Miami knows it, which is why they had to trade with Washington.  LAC had to trade up with Detroit to keep someone else from getting Herbert.
• Young (NYG) There is no way Gettlemen lets Young slip by him.  He said in an interview with NYG reporters, "You do not want to regret passing on that great player by trading back...."
• Okudah (WASH) Skins get a second first rounder from Fins and get a shut down CB to replace Norman.
• Brown (DET) The Lions have 3 primary needs--and i would not put another trade back from them here--but they are Edge (4-3 end), CB, and IDL.  Brown makes sense.

Who is left? 

My board

1. Simmons.

 

That would have RR taking a CB (Okudah) over a LB (Simmons).  I really think Okuda could be in play for us.  I can easily see Washington passing on Okuda, because of Ron, and I can easily see DG passing on Okuda.

My best guess:

Cin (Burrow)

Mia (Tua)

Det (Young)

NYG (Brown)

LAC (Herbert)

That leaves, Okuda, top OL on our board, top WR on our board.

I'm hoping for Okuda, or a trade down.

If Okuda is gone and Brown is there I'm really looking hard at a trade down.  I'll happily take one of the top tackles, top WRs, or Kinlaw a little later and enjoy my extra second round pick.

[JARROD]

Why not Andrew Thomas? We have a rental at left tackle at the moment.

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Why not Andrew Thomas? We have a rental at left tackle at the moment.

An above average LT and nothing more.  This is a weak LT class and just because he and Becton are the top of the positional board (for LT) doesn't meant they are near the top of the big board.  Most big boards have Wifs and Wills (both RTs) rated higher than either of the LTs.  After the combine, Becton has firmly supplanted Thomas as the top LT.  I wouldn't even take Becton at #7.

[JARROD]

10 hours ago, 45catfan said:

An above average LT and nothing more.  This is a weak LT class and just because he and Becton are the top of the positional board (for LT) doesn't meant they are near the top of the big board.  Most big boards have Wifs and Wills (both RTs) rated higher than either of the LTs.  After the combine, Becton has firmly supplanted Thomas as the top LT.  I wouldn't even take Becton at #7.

We will see

[AU-panther]

On 3/22/2020 at 5:14 PM, Panthercougar68 said:

I am a believer of watching the tape. Dude dominated SEC lines. It goes back to Orlando brown who is a true nfl player even though his combine said otherwise.

Gaulden had good tape also.  Both had bad measurables.

Brown is an exception, constantly drafting exceptions if asking for trouble.

[AU-panther]

 

I'm just not convinced he is going to be the pass rusher some on here think.  He will be a very good player, with a very high floor.

If Brown and Okuda are both there I'm picking Okuda. 

Brown - great tape, bad measurables, low value position (if he can't rush the QB)

Okuda - great tape, great measurable's, high value position.

If 2 guys both have great tape, why would you ever take the one with bad measurables and/or lower positional value.

If Okuda is there, I'm picking him.  Depending on how we would use Simmons, I would also strongly consider him.  If both of them are gone I'm going to consider a trade down.

 

 

[WOW!!]

34 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

 

I'm just not convinced he is going to be the pass rusher some on here think.  He will be a very good player, with a very high floor.

If Brown and Okuda are both there I'm picking Okuda. 

Brown - great tape, bad measurables, low value position (if he can't rush the QB)

Okuda - great tape, great measurable's, high value position.

If 2 guys both have great tape, why would you ever take the one with bad measurables and/or lower positional value.

If Okuda is there, I'm picking him.  Depending on how we would use Simmons, I would also strongly consider him.  If both of them are gone I'm going to consider a trade down.

 

 

Is that the question?? I would suspect most "knowledgeable" ppl here would go Okudah if he is there right?? That sets the draft up great because you can get a run stopper and LB after that alot easier.. CB is 1 of the highest valued positions in the league and to have a shut down guy is gravy in a passing league...

[tiger7_88]

42 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Is that the question?? I would suspect most "knowledgeable" ppl here would go Okudah if he is there right?? That sets the draft up great because you can get a run stopper and LB after that alot easier.. CB is 1 of the highest valued positions in the league and to have a shut down guy is gravy in a passing league...

CB is also one of the biggest boom-or-bust positions (arguably THE biggest).

[LinvilleGorge]

It all starts in the trenches. We could have the greatest secondary in the history of the NFL and it won't matter if our DL doesn't play a lot better than they did last year.

[WOW!!]

25 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

CB is also one of the biggest boom-or-bust positions (arguably THE biggest).

At this point every position can be boom or bust.. Ppl can come up with examples of both for each position..

[WOW!!]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It all starts in the trenches. We could have the greatest secondary in the history of the NFL and it won't matter if our DL doesn't play a lot better than they did last year.

I agree but it doesn't change the fact that CB are still considered a higher valued position then DT.. And to get a shut down CB on a rookie deal for 5 years is invaluable...