The importance of pass defense

[PleaseCutStewart]

11 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Why would we look at Tampa Bay?  They improved their rush defense to first in the league, based off of yards per attempt, and their defense was still bottom 5 in points allowed.  Maybe they should have improved their pass rush and/or secondary.

Just further validates the point that stopping the run is overrated.

 

 

That is usually the case when your QB throws many INTs, of which a good chunk were pick 6s. Not much you can do when your QB turns it over and gives the other team points or a short field.

As for sacks, Tampa actually got a good amount of them and Shaquil Barrett couldn't be stopped last season.

I think their secondary actually did improve from the year before, but you can't fix your entire team in 1 season. Now that they got a QB that doesn't turn the ball over at will and has many weapons to throw to, Tampa is going to be a legit superbowl contender next year if they find some secondary help and a RT.

Same for us, we can't fix our entire team in one season. But we can start by rebuilding the interior of our d-line and go back to our superbowl days of making teams 1 dimensional and getting after them with the pash rush

[PleaseCutStewart]

27 minutes ago, JARROD said:

I think we should draft Okudah or Simmons really.

whens the last time we ever drafted a top 10 corner? Actually when have we drafted a top 10 receiver? Ha.

Okudah, Simmons or Jeudy are my picks for 7 if we don’t take a quarterback somehow(Tua).

Next would be OT...

I think DT is my last of these picks. For the record I would still be happy so there’s no argument there. I wouldn’t cry is our whole draft is defense except a 2nd or 3rd being used for an exciting receiver.. sorry but Samuel has to go.

Why draft a top 10 corner when we can draft DBs in the 2nd - 4th round and watch them develop in a couple years into a top tier CB...

It is much easier to find CB talent in the mid to late round than it is to find D-line talent (most of them, if lucky, are only good at either stopping the run or pash rush, not both)

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Why draft a top 10 corner when we can draft DBs in the 2nd - 4th round and watch them develop in a couple years into a top tier CB...

It is much easier to find CB talent in the mid to late round than it is to find D-line talent (most of them, if lucky, are only good at either stopping the run or pash rush, not both)

Well I will give you 3 reasons.

Tom Brady along with Godwin, Evans and Bruce Arians,..

Drew Brees with Sean Payton and Thomas

Matt Ryan with Julio and “still wonder if we should have drafted him instead”.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Specifically for our division having an too 10 pass defense would yield the best long term success imo, specifically since when we had top 10 run defense we got torched through the air.

that said wouldn’t mind a dt to halt that but I think space eating dt are easier to find than lockdown cbs or lbs with the coverage skills of a db

[pantherj]

I want a QB above all else at 7th if the value is there. Having said that I'll indulge what I think we need with our defense.

What we need in the secondary are very smart players with the foot speed to execute a tight zone with independent thinking. If we draft players who are average or below in intelligence then you might have a tight zone in time, but you won't have the quick independent decision making. If you draft intelligent players who are on the slower side, then you have the independent thinking and quick decisions but the zone will never be tight. Early on Josh Norman played like poop but he was intelligent, and once he learned how to play the position he started to make independent decisions. What I mean by an independent decisions is that even though the system says "be here" he would break away from the system and make a split decision based on what he saw. That's when you saw the interceptions and pass breakups and the "wow he would have intercepted that had the QB thrown it" moments. He became a major threat and QBs started to avoid him. Why would a zone be loose? Physical limitations, confusion, false steps, lack of precision, ect. There are other factors like strength and tackling ability, but that's pretty obvious. Throw in the "Peanut punch" as well.

On the d-line I think you need two superstars. A DT in the mold of Kris Jenkins, and a DE in the mold Julius Peppers to use Panthers examples. That pass rush up the middle and around the corner will limit the number of deep passes the opposing team can execute over the course of the game. You can't have guys like Mahomes chucking bombs the entire second half of the game and hope to win with dinky Bridgewater. No fuging way. Some of the those deep passes need to be taken off the table, and a push up the the middle and around the corner with do that. Also you need just enough size along the line so that teams with powerful o-lines, like SF, can't just come out and run it down your throat.

The LBs need to have an extra element, and that is the willingness to deliver the maximum amount of violence within the rules of the game. What kind of player would be willing to do that? A guy who came from nothing, has nothing, and sees the NFL as his chance to change his life and pull his family out of poverty. Thomas Davis in his early career was an absolute sledge hammer who had no regard for his own body. He nearly killed an opposing player on a special teams play and they had call an ambulance. TD hit so hard he permanently scarred his face and he was happy to do it. Young violent LBs looking to unload on someone is key because we need to generate fumbles and fear. The ball has to pop out. The turnovers have to be there.

So I'd draft one of the top QB. If that's not an option, then I'd look to the d-line or trade down.

 

[Davidson Deac II]

21 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Why would we look at Tampa Bay?  They improved their rush defense to first in the league, based off of yards per attempt, and their defense was still bottom 5 in points allowed.  Maybe they should have improved their pass rush and/or secondary.

Just further validates the point that stopping the run is overrated.

 

 

When your quarterback throws 30 interceptions, 7 of which are returned for td's and many of the others give the other team a short field, well points allowed are going to look bad.  

[AU-panther]

11 hours ago, JARROD said:

Well I will give you 3 reasons.

Tom Brady along with Godwin, Evans and Bruce Arians,..

Drew Brees with Sean Payton and Thomas

Matt Ryan with Julio and “still wonder if we should have drafted him instead”.

 

11 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Specifically for our division having an too 10 pass defense would yield the best long term success imo, specifically since when we had top 10 run defense we got torched through the air.

that said wouldn’t mind a dt to halt that but I think space eating dt are easier to find than lockdown cbs or lbs with the coverage skills of a db

Great post, people seem to be forgetting what division we play in.  

Winning your division is the best way to get into the playoffs.