Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

Good catch.  They must be including playoffs. 

He was over 4,900 regular season yards twice and about 4,700yds another time.

I looked at the link you provided and found it notable that Ryan has thrown for over 4,000yds the last 9 seasons on a row, pretty unreal.   

Cam clipped 4,000yds by 51yds in his rookie season, and that was it.

Yea yeah, I know, he ran it a lot, etc...

...that's just what jumped out when I looked at the regular season passing totals. 

They also consistently surround Ryan with weapons, something which basically never happened for Cam. 

It makes a difference when you try and set your franchise QB up for success versus ask him to carry the team.

But Ryan isn't the best comparison anyway. He's a pure pocket passer and Cam is a running QB. Different kinds of players. Can Cam be a pocket passer? We'll see. A lot of people forget that Big Ben was a pretty mobile scrambler for a chunk of his career. That eventually stopped because as a bigger QB they were allowed to beat the poo out of him too. He had to learn that just because you CAN bull your way to a first down doesn't mean you should.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The joke is on you in that you expected clinical trial type statistical answer of a completely hypothetical question.

If you don't think there are a lot of Panthers fans who never wanted not never liked rooting for Cam, then I'd say you're not very familiar with Panthers fans.

I am not sure if you have picked up on the fact that he isn't actually a Panthers fan. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

On 5/26/2020 at 11:49 AM, Bytes said:

First and foremost I want to say I say I respect your opinion and I agree with a lot of what you say. But not on this one.  I get what you are saying about injuries in the NFL for the most part. But there have been plenty of players that said. Naw... I am not playing this week. Trent Williams stated publicly he would never trust the Redskins physicians for example. Heck even in games players have made the decision to take plays off. See Julio Jones. And you are right it is about figuring out which injuries you should or should not play with. But then again you come out say he should have been more forthcoming. And have you ever wondered why the FO went with super big receivers? Have you ever thought that maybe they figured out that CAM IS NOT ACCURATE and wanted to give him a bigger targets?  it was a a failed experience because you can't fix a a problem without addressing the root cause -CAM IS NOT ACCURATE. Have you ever wondered why they didnt roll him out more ? move the launch point of his passes? because CAM IS NOT ACCURATE. Heck the hated Matt Ryan rolls out waaaay more than Cam. Because he is ACCURATE, not the strongest arm, not the most mobile, not the biggest but ACCURATE. And accuracy trumps everything else. 

Cam was a warrior for us. Cam gave his all. But Cam never tried to evolve into a better passer until it was too late. And at the end of all you NEED your QB to be accurate. Period. And I will venture a guess between his injury history, his personality and most of all his lack of accuracy is the reason why he is not signed. The numbers tell the story. 

What a load of bullsh*t

[Bytes]

5 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I asked you from the very get go to consider rushing stats and percentage of overall yardage and TDs accounted for. You never did because it would shoot your opinions all to hell.

No you ask me about total yds. To consider rushing. See how you changed it? And go do it yourself if you want more to make YOUR claim. You never did because you didnt like the answer. The totals are enough. The picture is very clear. 

[Bytes]

1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What a load of bullsh*t

Dispute what I said. I see you once again are ranting.

[Icege]

11 hours ago, Bytes said:

Why do you think that I need to show you that I am consistent? Are you the thought police? Do you do this with everyone?

How about Lester Towns?

You need to show consistency, otherwise there will be questions as to why you don't like Cam Newton as much as you like Matt Ryan. If that's the road you're wanting to edge towards, then just jump in instead of being coy. Otherwise, a rational discussion can take place. If you're inconsistent in your evaluation of players, then your opinion is about as helpful as an ingrown scrotum hair.

No, thought police don't exist. I just make irrational people anxious because they realize they sound like ass clowns when having to explain/defend their position. It usually results in them being dismissive, gaslighting, then ultimately shutting the fug up and going away. 

Yes, I do this with everyone that has a bad opinion if I have the time. Getting somebody to commit to their bad takes and then watching them devolve under pressure is what I imagine a tantric orgasm must feel like. Especially when they start getting belligerent; that's the cherry on top that you like to pick. 

[Jaxel]

Coming in to this topic completely unbiased, I have to say that Bytes has whooped a ton of emotional Cam fan ass. 

Pretty amusing to watch this go down.

[Bytes]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

You need to show consistency, otherwise there will be questions as to why you don't like Cam Newton as much as you like Matt Ryan. If that's the road you're wanting to edge towards, then just jump in instead of being coy. Otherwise, a rational discussion can take place. If you're inconsistent in your evaluation of players, then your opinion is about as helpful as an ingrown scrotum hair.

No, thought police don't exist. I just make irrational people anxious because they realize they sound like ass clowns when having to explain/defend their position. It usually results in them being dismissive, gaslighting, then ultimately shutting the fug up and going away. 

Yes, I do this with everyone that has a bad opinion if I have the time. Getting somebody to commit to their bad takes and then watching them devolve under pressure is what I imagine a tantric orgasm must feel like. Especially when they start getting belligerent; that's the cherry on top that you like to pick. 

Man I know you have self esteem issues but please stop calling yourself an ass clown. Get some help man!

[Bytes]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

They also consistently surround Ryan with weapons, something which basically never happened for Cam. 

It makes a difference when you try and set your franchise QB up for success versus ask him to carry the team.

But Ryan isn't the best comparison anyway. He's a pure pocket passer and Cam is a running QB. Different kinds of players. Can Cam be a pocket passer? We'll see. A lot of people forget that Big Ben was a pretty mobile scrambler for a chunk of his career. That eventually stopped because as a bigger QB they were allowed to beat the poo out of him too. He had to learn that just because you CAN bull your way to a first down doesn't mean you should.

Well if Cam was more of a pocket passer he would probably have a job now. And here's another irony in of all this. So many on this board complained about how Ron ran Cam into the ground. Ron didnt protect Cam. And here you are openly admitting that "Cam is a running QB". Then wonder why he's have injury issues. 

My whole premise in all of this is CAM NEVER EVOLVED. And you just admitted it yourself. He was never going to last with that style. Not only is he a runner but he is a physical runner. But I guess that's Ron's fault too. There has never been a QB whose running is his primary threat have a long NFL career. Not only that they are just not very efficient.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Jaxel said:

Coming in to this topic completely unbiased, I have to say that Bytes has whooped a ton of emotional Cam fan ass. 

Pretty amusing to watch this go down.

By moving the goalposts constantly? LOL! The guy hasn't shown a stitch of logical consistency in this thread.

Mouth breathers love to stick together. It's why as an overall society we're rapidly getting collectively dumber. The internet allows morons to find each other, comfort each other, and convince each other that all those other people are the real morons.

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Well if Cam was more of a pocket passer he would probably have a job now. And here's another irony in of all this. So many on this board complained about how Ron ran Cam into the ground. Ron didnt protect Cam. And here you are openly admitting that "Cam is a running QB". Then wonder why he's have injury issues. 

My whole premise in all of this is CAM NEVER EVOLVED. And you just admitted it yourself. He was never going to last with that style. Not only is he a runner but he is a physical runner. But I guess that's Ron's fault too. There has never been a QB whose running is his primary threat have a long NFL career. Not only that they are just not very efficient.

Lol. When did I say anything about him being anything other than a running QB? Vick was a running QB, Jackson is, Josh Allen is, etc., etc. Doesn't mean they aren't/weren't good QB's, it just means they have an additional threat that most QB's don't. They aren't just mobile, they are a legitimate threat in the open field like a skill position player would be.

And you are talking about the evolution of a guy that is 31. He literally did evolve while he was here, especially when he was injured and when he was working with Norv. Hence the high percentage passing numbers. 

Funny how something as simple as a scheme change can really make a difference for a QB. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

By moving the goalposts constantly? LOL! The guy hasn't shown a stitch of logical consistency in this thread.

Mouth breathers love to stick together. It's why as an overall society we're rapidly getting collectively dumber. The internet allows morons to find each other, comfort each other, and convince each other that all those other people are the real morons.

He isn't even moving the goalposts, he is just lashing out irrationally and putting words in everyone's mouths. It's pretty funny to see the stream of strawman arguments.

[rico6]

1 hour ago, Jaxel said:

Coming in to this topic completely unbiased, I have to say that Bytes has whooped a ton of emotional Cam fan ass. 

Pretty amusing to watch this go down.

fuging lol.

"amusing" if you got the attention span of a fruit fly, then yeah total ownage in this thread by Bytes

[Bytes]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

He isn't even moving the goalposts, he is just lashing out irrationally and putting words in everyone's mouths. It's pretty funny to see the stream of strawman arguments.

You right I am not. You guys just dont like the facts. So give me facts that show Cam is as good as you guys say and compare them to his peers. Say Russell Wilson... similar styles right? sort of any. Dont show me no franchise record BS. Please. And if I am wrong I will shut up and admit it.