TEDDY SUCKS

[Varking]

20 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So if I say that no one is getting open in the red zone...you really think posting Teddy's accuracy in the red zone is supposed to be some kind of empirical rebuttal of that?  Can you please theoretically explain how he would manage to complete passes to receivers that are locked up?  I'm sure if he routinely forced throws there, his completion percentage would go way up...perhaps not to his own receivers, but who cares!  Your statistics do not contradict my premises whatsoever.  You highlight Teddy's success between the 20s...well, look at our receivers.  Three relatively small, speedy YAC guys...and you wonder why we succeed between the 20s and stall in the red zone.  Come on man...this is like elementary level nuance.  This is what it means to apply context to stats instead of simply copy/pasting from Wikipedia or whatever.

I think it's fascinating and extremely telling that when someone posts Teddy's red zone stats from last year with the Saints, your explanation of the drastic difference with this year must be that Teddy just significantly regressed...in a span of less than a year.  Never mind that we have an entirely different receiving corps and offensive playcalling than the Saints of last season.  Forget that we don't have a Michael Thomas or Jared Cook who are actually capable of winning red zone matchups.  Naw...must be Teddy!  That's pretty bad faith arguing.

Based on your most recent backpedaling, can we now once and for all summarize your argument that our red zone struggles are a combination of Teddy, our receiving corps, and playcalling?  That's a pretty non-contentious and dare I say reasonable argument...one that I can subscribe to.  Which begs the question, why are all of your posts and stats hyper focused on Teddy?  Here, let me start you off with a freebie elsewhere so you can come across as more objective.  Let's take a look at our top 2 receivers and their history with red zone scoring:

DJ Moore: 7 total TDs in his 3-year career....4 of these were 50+ yard touchdowns.  That means 3 total touchdowns in the red zone...that's between three different full-time QBs, including Cam in 2018.

Robby Anderson: 21 total TDs in his 5-year career...only 5 of these were in the red zone (<20 yards).  That's between four different full-time QBs.   

Those stats don't exactly scream "red zone threats" to me.  When Curtis Samuel is our biggest red zone threat.....yeah, that makes me think personnel could be a pretty big issue.

Let me stop you right up top, where did I write Teddy has regressed? I’ll read the rest later. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

I mean, Cam Newton is tied for 33rd in the NFL in passing TDs and no one says that's not good for him. I'm not that obsessed over if a quarterback throws for 35 TDs, especially if the running backs are scoring a lot of TDs. Points are points. If Teddy's passing gets us down there and we punch it in on the ground, that's fine.

I'm only talking about out current QB. Not really interested in playing the whataboutism game with our former QB who has played two fewer games this season.

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I mean, Cam Newton is tied for 33rd in the NFL in passing TDs and no one says that's not good for him. I'm not that obsessed over if a quarterback throws for 35 TDs, especially if the running backs are scoring a lot of TDs. Points are points. If Teddy's passing gets us down there and we punch it in on the ground, that's fine.

You brought this up before but we aren’t scoring TDs at an average clip. We are below average. I’d give you that point if our running backs were stealing all the tds but we are still a below average scoring team. 

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, Varking said:

You brought this up before but we aren’t scoring TDs at an average clip. We are below average. 

I wasn't using it as a defense or as an attack against Teddy. I was making a point that what matters to me is the result, not the journey there.

[Varking]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

I wasn't using it as a defense or as an attack against Teddy. I was making a point that what matters to me is the result, not the journey there.

The journey has been good but the final results have been less than stellar. We drive down the field like elite teams. We punch it in the end zone like we are one of the bottom 10 teams at scoring touchdowns. 

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm only talking about out current QB. Not really interested in playing the whataboutism game with our former QB who has played two fewer games this season.

You certainly would be playing that game if his numbers were higher. Nothing you've said in the last seven weeks displays any shred of impartiality towards Teddy. Good games are met with faint praise if any, and subpar games are a sea of negativity.

Coming from someone who likes Teddy and will withhold an opinion on his qualifications until after Week 17, maybe you should cool it on finding different ways to give the same opinion every week.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

I wasn't using it as a defense or as an attack against Teddy. I was making a point that what matters to me is the result, not the journey there.

The result is that we're tied for 28th in the NFL with Ron's Football Team for average TDs per game at 2.2

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

The journey has been good but the final results have been less than stellar. We drive down the field like elite teams. We punch it in the end zone like we are one of the bottom 10 teams at scoring touchdowns. 

I know, and my point is that if we improve that and CMC and Davis score touchdowns but Teddy finishes with a bunch of yards and only 13 or so scores and we go 9-7, that doesn't mean he sucks ass.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

You certainly would be playing that game if his numbers were higher. Nothing you've said in the last seven weeks displays any shred of impartiality towards Teddy. Good games are met with faint praise if any, and subpar games are a sea of negativity.

Coming from someone who likes Teddy and will withhold an opinion on his qualifications until after Week 17, maybe you should cool it on finding different ways to give the same opinion every week.

Ah... after whataboutism fails, time to feign anger. Sorry man, others are hitting you with factual information and you're not liking it very much.

[Varking]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

I know, and my point is that if we improve that and CMC and Davis score touchdowns but Teddy finishes with a bunch of yards and only 13 or so scores and we go 9-7, that doesn't mean he sucks ass.

I agree. 

[MasterAwesome]

5 minutes ago, Varking said:

Let me stop you right up top, where did I write Teddy has regressed? I’ll read the rest later. 

 

6 hours ago, Varking said:

He was a lot better then. If he were closer to that level of play then we likely have two more wins. However, this isn’t 2019 Teddy right now. I never said Teddy wasn’t capable of playing better or being better when it mattered. He’s not been doing it in 2020. 

 

[MechaZain]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Teddy is tied for 28th in the NFL in passing TDs and tied for 7th in INTs. That's not good.

Not going to have many TDs over the top because he's a dink-and-dunk guy with no red zone threats and great runningbacks. INTs don't indicate a whole lot as an isolated stat.

I don't want to go too far out on a limb for the man though. He's just pedestrian in my eyes, not awful. 

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Ah... after whataboutism fails, time to feign anger. Sorry man, others are hitting you with factual information and you're not liking it very much.

That's big talk coming from someone whose playbook is to disregard anything that doesn't suit your biased agenda. You've been called out for it on multiple occasions. Reread your pissy remarks every time he does well.

"Teddy is playing a great game but y'all spiking the football over him being great are ignoring how awful this Falcons' D is playing."

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

 

 

I didn’t intend for it to be Teddy is playing worse, it’s that he isn’t performing at that level. But I guess that is correct, regardless. If he were playing at that level last year we would be doing better. I chalk that up to he had been in their system for an entire offseason and he wasn’t thrown into the fire week 1. He CAN get back to that level, if not be better, he’s just not there right now. As I wrote above, I’m at work so I have to read in chunks. Ill respond to the rest after lunch.