Fug these two guys. Fug em.

[MHS831]

23 hours ago, manu4t said:

The way they blow plays they ought to have knee pads on 

don't they?

 

[Harbingers]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Apparently Shaq cussed out the team in the locker room after the game. He called out the 99 yard TD run exact play and Whitehead and Boston still missed it. Give us an average MLB and FS and our defense will be decent... 

It wasn't just Whitehead and Boston that missed it.

[Tommy Jone]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Apparently Shaq cussed out the team in the locker room after the game. He called out the 99 yard TD run exact play and Whitehead and Boston still missed it. Give us an average MLB and FS and our defense will be decent... 

Source for the cussout? Don't doubt you, would just like to read about it if possible. 

[MHS831]

22 hours ago, Pimpdaddy said:

boston can hit they roaddd.

I am not sure he can hit anything.

 

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Harbingers said:

Whats crazy is Tre not only fug that up once but he also probably cost Chinn catching him.

Thanks for posting this bro.  It will help me make a point about Boston.

Take this thing frame by frame and you learn a bit about reading and reaction time.

The Panthers have 2 safeties here--initially lined up 10 yards behind the LOS. The ball is on the right hash. The Bucs RB is in a single back formation, 6-7 yards behind the LOS. 

• 0:00---At the 0:00 mark, Boston is three yards outside the offensive right hash, on the 11 yard line.  Burris is also at the 11 yard line, on the left hash. Cover 2 with no indication that the formation or situation would suggest pass, so they are basically in run support based on the offensive formation.  after the snap, nobody releases for a pass route and the OL shows run block.  Burris will realize this and react properly, but watch Boston.
• 0:03---At the 3 second mark, the back is being handed the ball and the OL is run blocking.  Burris sees this and immediately fills the hole. He is 3 yards closer to the LOS than before and is 2 yards inside the hash, where he started.  His read is accurate.  Boston, on the other hand, is backing up for some unknown reason.  And he is staying to the outside of the hash, not cheating to the center, as one might do if Burris were on a blitz.  So we are seeing 2 safeties read the same play.
• 0:05---Now Burris is at the six yard line, near the opposite hash from his original starting point.  He has moved considerably in the right direction.  Boston, meanwhile has backed up to the 13 yard line and is still outside the hash marks where he was when the play started.  In other words, he saw run, backed up, and did not gravitate toward the play. 
• 0:06---Now it gets worse. After starting at the 10, three yards outside the hash, he backs up to the 13--still 3 yards outside the hash and then back up to the 11 yard line, still well outside the hash when the RB is INSIDE the hash.  Burris is taken out by the play side LG (the one who was supposed to block Whitehead, who left the hole to chase the motion WR for some unknown reason, but I digress), but his role sent the RB back toward the middle, where Boston and Whitehead should have been.  THE BACK, NOW AT THE 10 YARD LINE, HAS RUN 16 YARDS BY THIS TIME, AND BOSTON HAS BACKED UP A YARD (NET) AND MOVED INSIDE 2 YARDS.  Boston is taking a bad angle and misses the tackle.

In summary, the back actually runs untouched through the hole where Whitehead was before he decided to follow the motion man toward the strong side--and that makes no sense because it was a run formation and there were already 3 pass defenders on that side to cover 3 eligible receivers (after the WR motion).  So Whitehead leaves his post and Boston starts backing up.

The back travels 17 yards--from 6 yards deep in the endzone to the 11 yard line--where Boston whiffed.  Boston, on the other hand, lined up before the snap just 5 yards away from where he would miss the tackle.  And he took a bad angle.   So watch Burris--he played this correctly---and watch Boston and Whitehead run around like hyper kids trying to get $$ before the ice cream truck drives away.

 

[Harbingers]

Bingo.

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, Tommy Jone said:

Source for the cussout? Don't doubt you, would just like to read about it if possible. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-shaq-thompson-cursed-out-teammates-after-blowout-loss-to-division-rival-buccaneers/

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

It wasn't just Whitehead and Boston that missed it.

It was Whitehead’s tackle to make. He is the MLB and knew which direction they were running. It was right on his area of the field. Ideally a DT would have got a hand on him, but we had Roy (late round rookie) and Kerr on the field. Boston should have been our security blanket, but whiffed completely on the tackle. 

[Harbingers]

6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It was Whitehead’s tackle to make. He is the MLB and knew which direction they were running. It was right on his area of the field. Ideally a DT would have got a hand on him, but we had Roy (late round rookie) and Kerr on the field. Boston should have been our security blanket, but whiffed completely on the tackle. 

Whitehead bought into the sell to the strong side not trusting 25 to pick up the motion, as soon as that happened TB knew that had gold. Chinn took the wrong angle though. He wanted to feast and took the block that Douglas should have taken, He should have been on the pull freeing Burris up. But thats what happens when half your defense goes one way and the other half goes the other way and they both ended up wrong.

(also I get Douglas is the contain there but Burris could have pulled to contain if they went outside)

[ForJimmy]

21 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Whitehead bought into the sell to the strong side not trusting 25 to pick up the motion, as soon as that happened TB knew that had gold. Chinn took the wrong angle though. He wanted to feast and took the block that Douglas should have taken, He should have been on the pull freeing Burris up. But thats what happens when half your defense goes one way and the other half goes the other way and they both ended up wrong.

(also I get Douglas is the contain there but Burris could have pulled to contain if they went outside)

I guess I’ve been spoiled by Luke. Whitehead was unblocked that whole play which makes me think he should shadow the back and meet him in the hole. Your answer sounds a lot more informed though.

[Harbingers]

5 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I guess I’ve been spoiled by Luke. Whitehead was unblocked that whole play which makes me think he should shadow the back and meet him in the hole. Your answer sounds a lot more informed though.

From a players perspective Whitehead put that failure in motion...  when he followed the motion.