Bieniemy apparently out of the running in Houston

[BurnNChinn]

This thread is fixing to go downhill fast.

[ImaginaryKev]

Like Bienemy might not be a perfect fit for Houston and migbtve taken himself out of the running bc he sees it as a sideshow but the fact remains black coaches don't get the same opportunities as white coaches like the new guy in Philly, Josh McDaniels, and more recently a guy with no experience like Josh McCown. Inherent bias and racism are the issues here, esp when 70% of the league is black. This isn't a tough pill to swallow. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, ImaginaryKev said:

Ironic they're both minorities

Yeah, fair point, but it has happened to quite a few coaches in the NFL. Some guys just aren't always the best prepared for this process. 

Look at it this way, if Houston hires Leslie Frazier instead, wouldn't that sort of indicate that maybe it has more to do with EB than it does Houston? And, yes, I realize the guy doing the hiring in that franchise certainly means that racial reasons have to be on the table. 

[Mr. Scot]

It'd be kind of hard to pin a racial element to the Texans coaching search given that both their remaining candidates are black.

Granted, they're morons, just not necessarily racist morons.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[ImaginaryKev]

Thing is, Bienemy very well could be a trash candidate and his situation borders on farcical right now but it really illustrates a bigger issue, which is lack of opportunity for black coaches. Again, white coaches with lesser resumes and less experience get these types of gigs all the time. It's coincidence that those same opportunities aren't afforded to black coaches when 70% of the league is black? You can't hopscotch around race being a factor here. 

[ImaginaryKev]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It'd be kind of hard to pin a racial element on the Texans given that both their remaining candidates are black.

Granted, they're idiots, just not necessarily racist idiots.

Oops read that wrong

Edited January 27, 2021 by ImaginaryKev

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, ImaginaryKev said:

No it isn't, black coaches still aren't given head coaching opportunities. You're talking about assistants. I know it's hard for you to admit racism (see Norwacki and that Cam scouting report) but don't be obtuse bc you can't admit harsh truths. 

So they're down to two black candidates, but they're still racist?

[ImaginaryKev]

But actually, you can pin a racial element on it bc black coaches STILL don't get the same opportunities. The Texans at this point are trying to save face with black candidates bc their QB is pissed off. That likely is why Eric B is dropping out, but doesn't change the greater inequality were talking about

[ImaginaryKev]

Yeah you can, Scot. You just don't wanna admit it, which is expected. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It'd be kind of hard to pin a racial element to the Texans coaching search given that both their remaining candidates are black.

Granted, they're idiots, just not necessarily racist idiots.

Well, given where the Texans owner is from and given some past statements, I don't think you can ignore it being a factor. 

I do think they appear to be committed to hiring a minority candidate, although it appears to be to appease their disgruntled QB moreso than out of a sense of fairness.

@ImaginaryKev isn't wrong about the pretty startling statistics in regards to the percentage of the league that is minorities and the lack of head coaches that are. It isn't like you can't point to other sports where that was the case and changed over time, as well. 

Perhaps Bieniemy and Houston aren't the best example of that being the case but the statistics alone and previous history certainly make a pretty convincing case that the NFL is behind the times in making minority hires. 

[t96]

16 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

Wilks took a head coach job at Missouri didn’t he?

 

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He actually just took a college job (DC at the University of Missouri).

If I were McDermott though, I'd probably go with Bob Babich.

College DC job; I'm sure he has an out if he gets an NFL offer

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Well, given where the Texans owner is from and given some past statements, I don't think you can ignore it being a factor. 

I do think they appear to be committed to hiring a minority candidate, although it appears to be to appease their disgruntled QB moreso than out of a sense of fairness.

@ImaginaryKev isn't wrong about the pretty startling statistics in regards to the percentage of the league that is minorities and the lack of head coaches that are. It isn't like you can't point to other sports where that was the case and changed over time, as well. 

Perhaps Bieniemy and Houston aren't the best example of that being the case but the statistics alone and previous history certainly make a pretty convincing case that the NFL is behind the times in making minority hires. 

I don't know whether McNair is racist. I grant it's possible.

I do know he's stupid.

The operative guy in the coaching search right now though is Nick Caserio. He basically threw out everything that happened before he was hired and started it over.

[ImaginaryKev]

I don't blame Eric from dropping out of the HC market overall bc at this point its a shitshow, Houston isn't a great option, and now instead of addressing real issues with black coaches not getting jobs it all reeks of tokenism. Maybe it's better to get another ring in KC and wait til next year. Maybe he doesn't interview well and will learn from all this. But race is definitely a factor. 

[Mr. Scot]

Also to clarify, there's been no confirmation that Bieniemy dropped out.

It's possible he might have, but nobody's saying anything like that (that I've seen anyway).

There was a guy saying beforehand that he wouldn't even interview, but obviously that turned out not to be true.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Mr. Scot