Fox has in fact lost this team

[CRA]

Many on the board said it was coming after Beason did what the coaches were "suppose" to do in calling out Peppers.

1. Beason comment - publicly claiming Pep needs to step it up

2. Smitty claiming he is "not an asset"

3. Jake repeatedly yelling at the coaches during games

4. Smitty going apeshiat on the coaches last week

5. Moose claiming the Panthers are not using the passing game correctly...and that it falls on the coaching staff.

.....whether you agree w/ my statement or not you have to agree all that is very "unPanther-like". We are only half way through the season and clearly this team is very annoyed w/ what is going on from a coaching standpoint.

It will get worse before it gets better. Coaching and stubborness are holding the team back....and everyone knows it.

[2jakefansinva]

Many on the board said it was coming after Beason did what the coaches were "suppose" to do in calling out Peppers.

1. Beason comment - publicly claiming Pep needs to step it up

2. Smitty claiming he is "not an asset"

3. Jake repeatedly yelling at the coaches during games

4. Smitty going apeshiat on the coaches last week

5. Moose claiming the Panthers are not using the passing game correctly...and that it falls on the coaching staff.

.....whether you agree w/ my statement or not you have to agree all that is very "unPanther-like". We are only half way through the season and clearly this team is very annoyed w/ what is going on from a coaching standpoint.

It will get worse before it gets better. Coaching and stubborness are holding the team back....and everyone knows it.

Then they need to get in line behind the rest of us who have been annoyed for sometime.

[Jangler]

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[ChucktownK]

Welcome to the NFL and the Huddle. Nice to have new people.

[Cat]

This was said after the buffalo game, before we whipped the Cardinals.

[panthers55]

None of that shows Fox has lost the team at all. It only suggests that when players expect to win and experience losing, they get frustrated and vent to those around them. The only way you know that Fox has lost the players is if they stop playing hard or you are in the locker room. Otherwise you don't know squat. From what I can see the players are all trying hard most of the time. Some players like Smitty seem to be slacking off at times but that is hardly the whole locker room.

[CRA]

None of that shows Fox has lost the team at all. It only suggests that when players expect to win and experience losing, they get frustrated and vent to those around them. The only way you know that Fox has lost the players is if they stop playing hard or you are in the locker room. Otherwise you don't know squat. From what I can see the players are all trying hard most of the time. Some players like Smitty seem to be slacking off at times but that is hardly the whole locker room.

they are all indications of it....and each week we are seeing more examples of it. There have been plenty of seasons when Carolina has lost and players are frustrated.....this is the first that they have spoken to the media w/ as much consistancy and it is a sign that Fox has lost them. I don't have to be in the lockerroom b/c the players are talking through the media.

Guys can still play hard and have pride in what they do.....AND think Fox is a complete moron who is killing there chances.

[MaineManPanther]

Many on the board said it was coming after Beason did what the coaches were "suppose" to do in calling out Peppers.

1. Beason comment - publicly claiming Pep needs to step it up

2. Smitty claiming he is "not an asset"

3. Jake repeatedly yelling at the coaches during games

4. Smitty going apeshiat on the coaches last week

5. Moose claiming the Panthers are not using the passing game correctly...and that it falls on the coaching staff.

.....whether you agree w/ my statement or not you have to agree all that is very "unPanther-like". We are only half way through the season and clearly this team is very annoyed w/ what is going on from a coaching standpoint.

It will get worse before it gets better. Coaching and stubborness are holding the team back....and everyone knows it.

The coaches werent "supposed" to call out Peppers publicly. Beason was a leader of the defence and proably thought it was his responcibillity to do it. Even if the coaches did talk to Peppers, unless he then suddenly starting playing well, Im sure beason would say the same thing. Didnt Strahan call out tiki a couple years back and said he would talk to him? It was a personal mistake

As far as the screaming on the sideline. As Ive said before. You place a camerea on a sideline the whole game, regardless of the team, youll see it frequently. It happens, its all emotion.

Smith is simply competive. We won the game. It was him just simply being mad right after a game. I mean were we saying Fox lost the team when Smith puched those two players? Or when smith cost us that game in Houston. Smith says/ does things that arent a indiciment of the coaches. Just him and his extreme competive side.

I mean really, look hard enough and youll see players do/say all these things.

The beason was the only thing that was slightly off.

And if Fox is really losing this team. How come this team is fighting teams, and being in Games they dont have any buissness being in?

[pantherj]

"Moose claiming the Panthers are not using the passing game correctly"

He's right about that. We are not taking enough deep shots down the field. The deep ball is an important aspect of our style of offense. Jake is terrible, but we still need him to throw deep passes down the field in order to stretch the defense, and increase our scoring average. Even when we had a lead on the Saints, we should have been taking deep shots out of our play-action pass.

We should move Moore to the #2 WR spot, and throw deep to him out of play-action if he's in single coverage. That's not a 'maybe' idea, it's a must if we want any kind of decent passing game. Jarrett and Moose simply take to long to get deep, so it's asking too much of our o-line to pass block for that long. If Moore can't get deep and catch the ball, then cut him at the end of the season. If Jake can't hit him a few times a game, then try Moore. If he fails, then start drafting QBs. Bring in FA QBs. Get rid of Moore, and keep Jake until his contract is out.

[Stone]

pretty much the only thing it shows is out qb play fugin sucks

[err456]

pretty much the only thing it shows is out qb play f**kin sucks

Amen!

[GRWatcher]

Many on the board said it was coming after Beason did what the coaches were "suppose" to do in calling out Peppers.

1. Beason comment - publicly claiming Pep needs to step it up

This was Beason as an NFL captain for the 1st time feeling that he had to do something. Nothing more. Good idea wanting to talk to Peppers, bad idea to do it on the radio.

2. Smitty claiming he is "not an asset"

Steve Smith being Steve Smith. What WR doesn't want the ball? Moose even said it while he was laughing when asked the question.

3. Jake repeatedly yelling at the coaches during games

He always "yells" on the sidelines. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. Nothing new here.

4. Smitty going apeshiat on the coaches last week

need a link

5. Moose claiming the Panthers are not using the passing game correctly...and that it falls on the coaching staff.

need a link

....whether you agree w/ my statement or not you have to agree all that is very "unPanther-like". We are only half way through the season and clearly this team is very annoyed w/ what is going on from a coaching standpoint.

It will get worse before it gets better. Coaching and stubborness are holding the team back....and everyone knows it.

Like P55 said, unless you can show us a paystub from the Panthers organization, you are simply guessing at what these players meant. Yes, you do need to be in the locker room.

[panthers55]

they are all indications of it....and each week we are seeing more examples of it. There have been plenty of seasons when Carolina has lost and players are frustrated.....this is the first that they have spoken to the media w/ as much consistancy and it is a sign that Fox has lost them. I don't have to be in the lockerroom b/c the players are talking through the media.

Guys can still play hard and have pride in what they do.....AND think Fox is a complete moron who is killing there chances.

You are wrong about this being the first time that players have acted out or spoken negatively to the media. You want to know what losing the team is? Having your quarterback quit the team or having your star defensive end choke an assistant coach. The kind of stuff you are talking about happens on most teams when they lose. Do you think that the chiefs should fire Todd Haley because Larry Johnson came out with all kinds of negative comments or do you think Johnson is an idiot.

You are making mountains out of molehills looking for the negatives. And when the team quits on the coach they mail it in. Look at the Lions last year or the Rams or the Raiders most years.

[Snake]

You are wrong about this being the first time that players have acted out or spoken negatively to the media. You want to know what losing the team is? Having your quarterback quit the team or having your star defensive end choke an assistant coach. The kind of stuff you are talking about happens on most teams when they lose. Do you think that the chiefs should fire Todd Haley because Larry Johnson came out with all kinds of negative comments or do you think Johnson is an idiot.

You are making mountains out of molehills looking for the negatives. And when the team quits on the coach they mail it in. Look at the Lions last year or the Rams or the Raiders most years.

Im sorry but your wrong. You would expect these stunts by a Larry Johnson,T.O.,Chad Johnson but not Smith and Def not Beason and Moose. Jake has even given up because he is nothing more then a Body at QB. Just wait till we get to the hard stretch of our schedule and you will see what Im talking about. There is one Reason that Peppers dose not want to be and this team and why everyone is pissed. Fox.......