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Are You Really Against Fields or Lance if they fall to #8...


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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah but that goes against the whole “smokescreens rarely happen” narrative, right?

Never said they rarely happen. Lying season still exists.

With that said, not everything that fans see as a smokescreen actually is one, especially when it comes to teams scouting players.

Sometimes checking out a particular player is due diligence, but that doesn't make it a smokescreen.

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5 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Exactly. What if Sam can't be fixed? Back to square one and please don't use the crutch "we'll just draft one next year" argument.  Two reasons: We won't be in the position to draft one and it's a MUCH weaker class.  If we decide to pass on Lance or even Fields, it had better be with the thought in mind we have hitched our future to the Darnold wagon for better or worse.

If Sam can't be fixed, odds are the Panthers will end up with a worse record and higher draft pick.

39 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

That's fine if we pass on Fields and/or Lance as long as we get the capital for passing.  Someone will jump up.  Taking a non-QB position at #8 with one or both still on the board and not moving back makes zero sense.  Actually, it's utterly idiotic.

Not true. Taking what could be an elite player at another position benefits the team, especially if it is an LT.

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34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Never said they rarely happen. Lying season still exists.

With that said, not everything that fans see as a smokescreen actually is one, especially when it comes to teams scouting players.

Sometimes checking out a particular player is due diligence, but that doesn't make it a smokescreen.

Fair point. If anything it just shows how little interest we have in Lance...

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26 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

If Sam can't be fixed, odds are the Panthers will end up with a worse record and higher draft pick.

Not true. Taking what could be an elite player at another position benefits the team, especially if it is an LT.

Really, what are those odds?  He can't be worse than Teddy and if we had a legit QB we were fighting for a wildcard spot last year.

Yet, multiple extra high picks somehow doesn't help the team?????

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16 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Really, what are those odds?  He can't be worse than Teddy and if we had a legit QB we were fighting for a wildcard spot last year.

Yet, multiple extra high picks somehow doesn't help the team?????

The Jets went 7-9 with him in 2019. We clearly have a better coach/roster than that. It will be bad if Darnold turns out to be good enough to keep us in the middle of the next draft, but not bad enough to get us a top pick. With the capital if costs to trade up for QBs if one you love falls to you they should always be considered until you have your franchise QB.

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

The Jets went 7-9 with him in 2019. We clearly have a better coach/roster than that. It will be bad if Darnold turns out to be good enough to keep us in the middle of the next draft, but not bad enough to get us a top pick. With the capital if costs to trade up for QBs if one you love falls to you they should always be considered until you have your franchise QB.

That is exactly where we will be if he struggles.  The rest of the roster is good enough to keep us in games.  I doubt he's so awful that he tosses picks on game winning drives in multiple games *cough* Teddy *cough*.

I mean the UNC homers are building up Howell to be Trevor Lawrence Jr, but in reality next year's crop of QBs is nowhere near this draft class.

What will be REALLY bad is if we are not sold on Darnold and have to give up the farm for a QB in next year's draft that is the equivalent of QB5 in this class, which we have a shot at.

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3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Really, what are those odds?  He can't be worse than Teddy and if we had a legit QB we were fighting for a wildcard spot last year.

Yet, multiple extra high picks somehow doesn't help the team?????

I'm not a bookie, so I have no idea what the odds are. Can't really play the what if game as other things could have happened to keep the Panthers out of the the playoffs. What if the teams the Panthers played had played better? What if the Panthers have more injuries? You could go on and on.

Multiple picks might help the team if the players pan out. Same is true if they pick an LT, QB, or something else at 8. All we actually know is that the Panthers are currently positioned to have their choice of several very good players at 8. We also know it is past time to get a top flight LT to help protect whoever is the QB they trot out.

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

That is exactly where we will be if he struggles.  The rest of the roster is good enough to keep us in games.  I doubt he's so awful that he tosses picks on game winning drives in multiple games *cough* Teddy *cough*.

I mean the UNC homers are building up Howell to be Trevor Lawrence Jr, but in reality next year's crop of QBs is nowhere near this draft class.

What will be REALLY bad is if we are not sold on Darnold and have to give up the farm for a QB in next year's draft that is the equivalent of QB5 in this class, which we have a shot at.

Darnold is a guy that has thrown 39 picks in 38 games. He could be awful enough to throw picks on game winning drives in multiple games. That said, the hope is that he proves to be a franchise QB.

I'm not a UNC homer, but from what I've seen of Howell is pretty good. He has potential and could end up better than most of the QBs in this class. Time will tell.

It's been reported that the Panthers are not sold on some of the top 5 QBs in this class and have compared Darnold to them. They traded for Darnold. It doesn't matter if it was to cover their bases or because they believe he can be the guy. He's on the team now and I'll hope for his success. If he doesn't pan out and if the team is in a better spot next season, and they decide to trade up for a QB, so be it. If they were to trade up next year and the team is still in a bad spot, just like this year, I wouldn't like it at all.

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