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Passing on a star for more draft capital


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1 hour ago, BrianS said:

Which brought the Falcons how many Lombardi trophies?  How many playoff berths?  The Julio Jones years have featured a grand total of four winning seasons.  All while they had a CLEAR franchise QB.  Which we do not.

Instead of focusing on Chase, think of our situation this way:  If we had a top 10 QB under center, what would DJ and Robby look like?  Bearing in mind, with TB5 at QB, both of them were in the top 15 last year.

DJ Moore averaged 18 yards per catch last year . . . EIGHTEEN!  Eighty percent of his catches went for first downs!  We raved about how clutch Curtis Samuel was last year, and only 50% of his catches were for first downs.  DJ was the epitome of clutch.  How many times did we see DJ running WIDE ASS OPEN deep last year.  It was damn sickening.  We don't need to draft an superstar WR, we already have one!

WR's don't win games, QB's do.  WR's are not the secret sauce, that's your QB.  The real question your staff have to answer is:  Do we believe our QB is Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Mahomes, etc.  Those guys can put the team on their shoulders and win games for you.  As good as Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, Mike Evans and DK Metcalf are they are utterly irrelevant without that franchise guy pulling the trigger.

If a guy your staff believes in is there when you are on the clock, you take the QB.  It's super simple.  There is no such thing as "too many" legit NFL QB's on your roster.

WR's and QB's alone don't win Super Bowls. If so, Megatron and Stafford would have won like 5. You need a defence, and an O-Line.

 

And to be fair, Matt Ryan is consistent enough that he should have had multiple rings right now. Probably would with better coaches.

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The locked in podcast goes into this on the past weeks episode.  He looks at the trade backs that the Seahawks have done in the past 10ish drafts.  It aint pretty.

 

He also looks at the 2nd contract rates for first rounders.  Tackles are #1 there by a long shot. 

 

So stay at 8 hope Sewell falls if not Slater.  This isnt hard

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On 4/22/2021 at 9:18 AM, jfra78 said:

Since Slater and Sewell are gone, you trade back and pick up another 2nd.  Hopefully Darisaw is there, if not take BPA and pick your LT in the top of the 2nd

You might get a next year's 1st depending on who is trading up. 

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