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Von Miller just made me throw up!

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54 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I think there was some disagreement on what they should do in practice, and how the offense was being run.

Now I'm obviously a Teddy guy, for obvious reasons, but I've always believe that the offense needs to be the Coach's offense, but fit around what you have. I don't feel like the Panthers did a very good job fitting their offense around Teddy's abilities, and I also think they should have given more practice time to the redzone if that's what the QB wanted, within reason.

If you keep asking a guy to do what he can't, or don't let him practice where he's struggling, at some point the blame starts falling on you.

It's like running CMC up the gut into a blitzing defense in a formation where you have all 11 guys in the box, and only 4 DBs on the field, 2 of which are safeties. It's not his strength, and are we going to judge CMC by that when he doesn't pick it up or the coaches?

I predicted before the season that Teddy and Sam would both have their best years, and I think I undersold Sam on taking care of the ball. He's looked really good. But it's also a tale of both QBs going from teams that didn't use them to their strengths, to ones that are.

So what is Teddy's strength then? The whole point of bringing him in was supposedly because Brady wanted to capitalize on his strengths... but then he just opted not to? Also, are we to believe that Rhule, Brady, et al just didn't spend time working on red zone/a clear area of weakness? That makes little sense.

I'm not saying that there's zero truth in Teddy's comments and I'm still not fully warm on Rhule but Teddy spent the entire season deflecting blame with 'we' being the operative term for failure. He was wholly unimpressive both on and off the field and may be better for the experience depending on what happens in Denver, but what a waste of a year. 

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Teddy couldn't get it done when the game was on the line.  Period.  How many chances did he have to win a game in the fourth?  Seven or Eight?  He hit on zero percent of those opportunities.  Whatever rifts were going on behind the scenes are irrelevant to me, the guy couldn't close.

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Could he close with this offense and this defense?

Too much is made of our record last year. We were a bad team and we were going to be a bad team regardless of who was at QB.

I'm not saying Teddy is a great QB, but laying last year at his feet is an over-reaction IMO. For whatever reason, he and the staff didn't get a long, which is a huge anomaly for his career in college and in the NFL.

The Panthers and Teddy are both better off having moved on.

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32 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

Could he close with this offense and this defense?

Too much is made of our record last year. We were a bad team and we were going to be a bad team regardless of who was at QB.

I'm not saying Teddy is a great QB, but laying last year at his feet is an over-reaction IMO. For whatever reason, he and the staff didn't get a long, which is a huge anomaly for his career in college and in the NFL.

The Panthers and Teddy are both better off having moved on.

His own timid play and pathetic attitude, particularly as the season went on, are the only things laid directly on him IMO. Agreed that the team was expected to be bad last year but it definitely had a negative impact on the team and their ability to win in critical situations. Also agreed that all parties involved appear better off at this point and it will be interesting to see what happens when Denver faces a real team much like Darnold here in Carolina, though the Saints are a tier or two above the Jags and Giants. 

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5 hours ago, Madwolf said:

He'll get a nice test this weekend. It's the Louisville vs Louisville game in Denver. Teddy vs Lamar.

So Louisville has a thing for putting out QBs who cave under pressure, eh?

In all seriousness Lamar showed a lot during that Chiefs game; I fully expected another fold. Needs to do it a bit more to shake the stigma, but promising.

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2 hours ago, KSpan said:

So Louisville has a thing for putting out QBs who cave under pressure, eh?

In all seriousness Lamar showed a lot during that Chiefs game; I fully expected another fold. Needs to do it a bit more to shake the stigma, but promising.

And Peyton Manning didn't have what it takes to win a Super Bowl either, until he did.

The whole idea that Lamar caves under pressure is silly. The guy hasn't had half the talent around him offensively that Patrick Mahomes has had, and he has kept a Ravens team punching above it's weight for years now.

He does lack polish as a passer, particularly when he's NOT under pressure, but he has improved there so far in his career, and it has to continue.

That being said, the Ravens also need reliable pass catchers outside of Mark Andrews. Brown is great with the ball in his hands, but his ability to catch the ball is nauseating. 

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On 9/29/2021 at 10:25 AM, Madwolf said:

And Peyton Manning didn't have what it takes to win a Super Bowl either, until he did.

The whole idea that Lamar caves under pressure is silly. The guy hasn't had half the talent around him offensively that Patrick Mahomes has had, and he has kept a Ravens team punching above it's weight for years now.

He does lack polish as a passer, particularly when he's NOT under pressure, but he has improved there so far in his career, and it has to continue.

That being said, the Ravens also need reliable pass catchers outside of Mark Andrews. Brown is great with the ball in his hands, but his ability to catch the ball is nauseating. 

And Peyton ultimately proved it just like Lamar still needs to, so that's sort of a non sequitor. I personally haven't been all that impressed with him in the bigger games I've seen (Chiefs game aside) and the results haven't been favorable thus far. Still very early in his career though, so lots of time to change that perspective.

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On 9/30/2021 at 3:56 PM, KSpan said:

And Peyton ultimately proved it just like Lamar still needs to, so that's sort of a non sequitor. I personally haven't been all that impressed with him in the bigger games I've seen (Chiefs game aside) and the results haven't been favorable thus far. Still very early in his career though, so lots of time to change that perspective.

 

I get what you're saying, but Lamar has lacked talent around him compared to a lot of other teams.

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