1999 to 2002 Cleveland Browns

[kungfoodude]

Starting QB's over that span(5): Tim Couch, Ty Detmer, Doug Pederson, Spergon Wynn, Kelly Holcomb

Winning Seasons: 1

Winning Percentage: 0.328

Playoff Berths: 1

 

2018-2021* Carolina Panthers

 

Starting QB's over that span(7): Cam Newton, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen, Will Grier, Teddy Bridgewater, PJ Walker, Sam Darnold

Winning Seasons: 0

Winning Percentage: 0.385

Playoff Berths: 0

*using the first seven games of this season only

[Carl Spackler]

Now do the 2016-17 Cleveland Browns, and you have our next two years under Rhule.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Now do the 2016-17 Cleveland Browns, and you have our next two years under Rhule.

I'm less afraid of that than I would be the 2003-2017 span the Browns had before turning it around. 

That's kind of my point. 

[Carl Spackler]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I'm less afraid of that than I would be the 2003-2017 span the Browns had before turning it around. 

That's kind of my point. 

I wasn't arguing your point. I was adding to it.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

I wasn't arguing your point. I was adding to it.

Right, the larger point being that franchise dysfunction can last multiple decades if you aren't careful. 

Keep in mind, while everyone was laughing at the Browns and their QB search during those years, they kept stockpiling highly drafted and talented players. In the end, almost all of them were squandered. 

I just hope this isn't the beginning of that sort of era for us.

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Right, the larger point being that franchise dysfunction can last multiple decades if you aren't careful. 

Keep in mind, while everyone was laughing at the Browns and their QB search during those years, they kept stockpiling highly drafted and talented players. In the end, almost all of them were squandered. 

I just hope this isn't the beginning of that sort of era for us.

It's likely to be exactly that, if our front office chooses to let the problem creator serve as the problem solver. I mean, rebuilds mean you gradually get better. We've steadily gotten worse since hiring Rhule. This roster, save for 7-8 players at most, is an abomination and the coaching staff is clueless beyond description.

[BlitzMonster]

Ugh - the early 2000's Browns are the modern benchmark for a badly run, lousy football team.  

It's so sad for the Panthers to be approaching that (low) standard.  

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

It's likely to be exactly that, if our front office chooses to let the problem creator serve as the problem solver. I mean, rebuilds mean you gradually get better. We've steadily gotten worse since hiring Rhule. This roster, save for 7-8 players at most, is an abomination and the coaching staff is clueless beyond description.

I think the roster has clearly gotten much better from 2019 to 2021. It's a very talented group that should be capable of winning with a competent QB, a competent OL and competent coaching. Without those....it's what we are seeing.

[Squid Game]

I can’t stand Matt Rhule and David Tepper anymore. 

[Carl Spackler]

PJ Walker is our Spergon Wynn.

[Fox007]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Right, the larger point being that franchise dysfunction can last multiple decades if you aren't careful. 

Keep in mind, while everyone was laughing at the Browns and their QB search during those years, they kept stockpiling highly drafted and talented players. In the end, almost all of them were squandered. 

I just hope this isn't the beginning of that sort of era for us.

I think we can match squandered with almost anyone ever.

Cam
Luke
Peppers
Smith
Olsen
Gross
Kalil(C)

That's all I feel like even listing

[Carl Spackler]

Kyle Allen is our Kelly Holcomb. Chris Palmer is a rich man's Matt Rhule. Actually, Rhule is more of a Browns-era Hue Jackson. 

[iamhubby1]

nvm

Edited October 25, 2021 by iamhubby1

[BlitzMonster]

On 10/25/2021 at 5:04 PM, Fox007 said:

I think we can match squandered with almost anyone ever.

Cam
Luke
Peppers
Smith
Olsen
Gross
Kalil(C)

That's all I feel like even listing

Ugh - it pains me to add this

CMC