I Was Not Impress With Matt Moore Today

[Zod]

So we can conclude 2 things following this week's win...

1) Some of the more diehard Jake Delhomme apologists are "insecure" about how well Matt Moore played as the starter yesterday.

2) Some of the more diehard DeAngelo Williams fanatics are "insecure" about J Stewart putting up 120 yards (making him 330 short of 1,000 as a backup) without DeAngelo playing.

Makes you wonder if we had lost and those 2 DIDNT play well would those obsessed fanatics be happy?

Very perceptive post KT. Nice work.

[ncbobcat]

-First of all, I'm not on the team, so I can't throw anybody under the bus......but I can state my opinion without bias.

-Jake is done in the starter role...

-I don't hate Jake...

-Blinded.......I suggest you look the word up.

-The kid did a good job yesterday...

-Not sure what you people expect anymore, and it's sickening.

I'll take this point-by-point:

1) Agreed, nobody said you couldn't state your opinion--this is a message board.

2) Agreed again, no agruments here.

3) Maybe you don't hate Jake the man, but it is painfully obvious you hate Jake as the starting QB.

4) Okay, for the THIRD time I'm not in favor of Jake being the starting QB for this team, especially come '10.

5) Good job yes, but is he the answer long term? Probably not.

6) I expect this team to lose 3-4 more games as poor coaching, injuries, a brutal final quarter of the schedule and an unsettled QB situation will doom what has been an already forgettable season full on promise but empty on results.

[rayzor]

Wait, but Moore doesn't practice, hasn't been on the team for a couple of years now and hadn't already had some throws under his belt.

Wow, people are so deranged with the the "anybody but Jake" syndrom that they would defend David Carr starting at this point if he were still on the team.

Do you have nightmares about Jake at night?

real game experience > any amount of time in practice. how many QBs come out in their first game and look brilliant? this was moore's first real game as a starter in a couple years. this was his only his 4th game as a starter on the pro level ever. do you think that he doesn't need to adjust to real game situations? did you honestly expect for him to come in and really light things up having such limited real game experience? since he didn't blow jake's performance out of the water in one game...his first real game since '07 and his 4th real game ever as a starter that proves he isn't any better than jake? rigghhhht. give the guy some more time. or don't. it really doesn't matter.

No one is defending Jake but I am being realistic about Moore.

He didn't play well and his performance wouldn't have won any other game all year. People expected Moore to come and play much better than Jake but he didn't. I blame that as much on Davidson as I do the quarterbacks. We can't develop quarterbacks or receivers. The reality is saying Moore didn't play well isn't a defense of Jake. Jake didn't play well either many games. The fact that neither has looked good might point the finger somewhere else. For me that place is Davidson until I am shown any kind of proof that Fox is in fact calling the plays or holding Davidson back. So far there has been lots of speculation but no proof.

here's something to consider....was he worse than jake has been all year? the guy is green. he's as unpolished as you can get. he is also inexperienced in real game situations.

there is no way that he and jake should be even close to the same level wth jake having how many years and games as a starter under his belt?

just in the same way you are saying that no one is defending jake, no one is saying that moore is for sure the man. no one is saying we have now found our breesus. no one is saying that he is THE answer. all people are saying is that he looked ok for someone with as little experience as he has had. all people are saying is that he is a better option than jake. the best that can be said against him is that he isn't better than jake. considering that he has such limited experience and it's only been one game...i don't see that as much of a problem. moore has room to grow and he showed he deserves more of a chance to make his case.

all i'm saying is that i'm prepared to see what else he can do.

as far as the handcuffed statements you are saying isn't real, the supposed handcuffing that is being referred to is moore being given limited opportunities to throw. they are doing with him what any team would do with a young and inexperienced QB would do (and what you do with a bad veteran starter with years of experience under his belt) and that is limiting the opportunity for error by running more than you throw. for a young QB teams are considerably run heavy until they can get adjusted to real game situations. moore is handcuffed to an extent, more like put on a leash, but it is not necessarily a bad thing considering his inexperience.

[SMACKDAB]

I'll take this point-by-point:

1) Agreed, nobody said you couldn't state your opinion--this is a message board.

2) Agreed again, no agruments here.

3) Maybe you don't hate Jake the man, but it is painfully obvious you hate Jake as the starting QB.

4) Okay, for the THIRD time I'm not in favor of Jake being the starting QB for this team, especially come '10.

5) Good job yes, but is he the answer long term? Probably not.

6) I expect this team to lose 3-4 more games as poor coaching, injuries, a brutal final quarter of the schedule and an unsettled QB situation will doom what has been an already forgettable season full on promise but empty on results.

Pretty much sums it up for me. :cheers2:

[panthers55]

So we can conclude 2 things following this week's win...

1) Some of the more diehard Jake Delhomme apologists are "insecure" about how well Matt Moore played as the starter yesterday.

2) Some of the more diehard DeAngelo Williams fanatics are "insecure" about J Stewart putting up 120 yards (making him 330 short of 1,000 as a backup) without DeAngelo playing.

Makes you wonder if we had lost and those 2 DIDNT play well would those obsessed fanatics be happy?

We can conclude a few more things.

Jake haters are making too much out of Moore's not so great performance and believe that Williams would have made the offense better. This despite the fact that Stewart and Sutton averaged over 6 yards a carry.

Actually it makes me wonder if people still would have been happy if these guys played like they did and we lost which we would have if Josh Freeman didn't hand us the game.

[pantherclaw]

Did Moore light up the league? Nope. He didn't.

What he did was manage the game, and limit the mistakes. His one interception wasn't his fault. The DB just made a great move. A few of his throws were off target, but nothing like Jake. We certainly didn't score enough for my liking, but I blame that on Davidson.

[panthers55]

Personal attack much? I've never been shy, not on here, or in person.

Your choice, but I suggest you think long and hard. It's amazing how I can make you dance, and get all lathered up, over you beloved Fox and Jake debates.

:smilielol5:

And it is amazing how you seem to delight in getting people angry and upset. You are a small petty person in more than height and position.

Congratulations.

[SMACKDAB]

And it is amazing how you seem to delight in getting people angry and upset. You are a small petty person in more than height and position.

Congratulations.

It seems to work wonders on you especially though.

If you are angry and upset that I think Moore played good, and Jake sucks.......then you tell me who is small and petty?

:rofl:

[rayzor]

jake has a 55.5% comp. rate on the season. his highest of the season was 66.7% against the cowboys and his 2nd highest was 64% against the redskins. against the bucs it was 52.9%.

moore had a 70% against the bucs plus the longest pass play of the season. considering the lack of experience....i don't see the problem. the results are after just one game that matt had better success getting the ball to receivers than jake has had all year.

now was he better than jake at getting the ball to receivers? or is it they are working harder for it than they did for jake? take your pick. either one works in moore's favor.

[panthers55]

just in the same way you are saying that no one is defending jake, no one is saying that moore is for sure the man. no one is saying we have now found our breesus. no one is saying that he is THE answer. all people are saying is that he looked ok for someone with as little experience as he has had. all people are saying is that he is a better option than jake. the best that can be said against him is that he isn't better than jake. considering that he has such limited experience and it's only been one game...i don't see that as much of a problem. moore has room to grow and he showed he deserves more of a chance to make his case.

all i'm saying is that i'm prepared to see what else he can do.

as far as the handcuffed statements you are saying isn't real, the supposed handcuffing that is being referred to is moore being given limited opportunities to throw. they are doing with him what any team would do with a young and inexperienced QB would do (and what you do with a bad veteran starter with years of experience under his belt) and that is limiting the opportunity for error by running more than you throw. for a young QB teams are considerably run heavy until they can get adjusted to real game situations. moore is handcuffed to an extent, more like put on a leash, but it is not necessarily a bad thing considering his inexperience.

Moore has been here 3 years. Jake came in with less starting experience in 2003 and lit it up. Ryan came into the league last year and his first game against Detroit (Tampa is the Detroit of this year) and had a rating of 137. There is no reason to believe that inexpereince is a reason for his play yesterday. Then again it could be the offense as well.

As for handcuffing him, it wasn't as if he wasn't hitting his passes. It was more that he looked like David Carr did in 2007. Not very many passes for first downs and constant checkdowns and underneath routes which kept the safeties in. he made very few down the field passes by his or Davidson's design. From another thread I read that some of the draws and runs late in the game were his idea. I wonder who was handcuffing who??

[SMACKDAB]

From another thread I read that some of the draws and runs late in the game were his idea. I wonder who was handcuffing who??

That's some good evidence there. Other "threads" are always chocked full of the "truth".

[panthers55]

jake has a 55.5% comp. rate on the season. his highest of the season was 66.7% against the cowboys and his 2nd highest was 64% against the redskins. against the bucs it was 52.9%.

moore had a 70% against the bucs plus the longest pass play of the season. considering the lack of experience....i don't see the problem. the results are after just one game that matt had better success getting the ball to receivers than jake has had all year.

now was he better than jake at getting the ball to receivers? or is it they are working harder for it than they did for jake? take your pick. either one works in moore's favor.

Through the majority of the game it was around 50%. He hit several checkdowns in the second half to boost the numbers but honestly if you don't get first downs and throw the ball down the field what good are short passes? And again why is this turned into a debate about Matt versus Jake which is where you folks seem to want to take it all the time. This is about Moore being the quarterback of the future and moving the ball effectively as we decide what to do next year. So far his 16 points is a low in any victory we have and would have won against anyone else. Color me hopeful he will do well but unconvinced he is the answer.

[XClown1986]

I think it is ridiculous for any of you to criticize a quarterback after one game. Not only that, but WE WON. That is one thing I can say about Matt Moore is the kid wins football games, 3-1 as a starter, and should be 4-0. Lets see what he can do against this tough stretch of games we have coming up before we call him garbage.

[Carl Spackler]

For Peaks sake guys it's not like Matt Moore has Tommy Jone all over him.