Did we get worse at the TDL

[CCFN]

On 3/31/2023 at 7:14 AM, KillerKat said:

Side note, I`ve gotten to the point where I just turn off the radio in the work van when Adam Gold talks about the Hurricanes. He is so bad. Apparently all of our problems are because of goaltending and nothing else. Thats what he said. I want to slap him.

I agree there are other issues but goaltending has been a huge sore spot. Raanta has been decent in a couple of his playoff starts. He even said the fellas bailed him out in the OT win. Typical Andersen got “injured” during warm ups according to one thing I heard and then I heard he had an illness. He had “injury” issues when he was with the Leafs and he missed the playoffs last year and at the start this year. He is not dependable and the Canes should seriously let him go and look elsewhere. 

[Harbingers]

Fun fact. If Dallas loses tonight every single Trade Deadline 1st round and second round traded with pick is out of the playoffs. If that tells you anything about TDL drama. 27/27 trades on playoff teams didn’t make it to the conference championship if Dallas loses. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Harbingers

[Harbingers]

Amusingly enough the only TDL player left in the playoffs is Domi. Out of the big pick/money trades. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Harbingers

[cookinbrak]

11 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Amusingly enough the only TDL player left in the playoffs is Domi. Out of the big pick/money trades. 

Who did he play for last year? 

[Harbingers]

11 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

Who did he play for last year? 

Us. And we traded for him at the deadline. So that’s at least two consecutive years he’s been a TDL. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Harbingers

[KillerKat]

We have to win the Cup. We just have to. We were expected to for over a year going into last offseason. I still believe we shouldve gotten a little more help. Waddell says we like our guys, so he basically said we are winning it with what we have. He has to back that up. Anything less than winning the Cup is a failure and I would still think Waddell didnt do enough and shouldnt be retained. We have been very fortunate with the matchups we have had in this playoffs. Go win it.

Edited May 17, 2023 by KillerKat

[backINblack28]

2 hours ago, KillerKat said:

We have to win the Cup. We just have to. We were expected to for over a year going into last offseason. I still believe we shouldve gotten a little more help. Waddell says we like our guys, so he basically said we are winning it with what we have. He has to back that up. Anything less than winning the Cup is a failure and I would still think Waddell didnt do enough and shouldnt be retained. We have been very fortunate with the matchups we have had in this playoffs. Go win it.

at this point, every team that sold future assets for a deadline move is eliminated. I don't think it's fair to label this season a failure at this point no matter where it ends, because the story for me ever since we advanced past first round is that we are doing whatever is our end while missing 3 60+ point forwards (hopefully just 2 going forward). that's not something you can plan for. yes, we could have made a move, but if you make those moves and sell those assets and then have similar injuries and get held back anyway--you mortgaged your future for tee times a la boston/new jersey/tampa etc.  At this point, the GM not giving up future assets and us making the conference final with major injuries is an outright win no matter what. considering it an abject failure is ignoring immense context and pretty unfair.

[USDepartmentOfSavagery]

50 minutes ago, backINblack28 said:

at this point, every team that sold future assets for a deadline move is eliminated. I don't think it's fair to label this season a failure at this point no matter where it ends, because the story for me ever since we advanced past first round is that we are doing whatever is our end while missing 3 60+ point forwards (hopefully just 2 going forward). that's not something you can plan for. yes, we could have made a move, but if you make those moves and sell those assets and then have similar injuries and get held back anyway--you mortgaged your future for tee times a la boston/new jersey/tampa etc.  At this point, the GM not giving up future assets and us making the conference final with major injuries is an outright win no matter what. considering it an abject failure is ignoring immense context and pretty unfair.

Yep waddle has my faith. And we have the pieces to move in the future while some of our competitors do not. We’re in a good place. I think Rod also has more say in roster construction than we think. 

[backINblack28]

16 minutes ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Yep waddle has my faith. And we have the pieces to move in the future while some of our competitors do not. We’re in a good place. I think Rod also has more say in roster construction than we think. 

we went for Timo and we got out when the price got too steep. The fact that we eliminated the team that DID match that price frees Waddell from any TDL faults. We saw Horvat, Kane, and Meier all underperform in the playoffs, and they're all at home.

One thing about those acquisitions is that it inevitably takes time to mesh with new teammates and those acquisitions are going to feel immense pressure to perform. Our window is wide open. Pacioretty has already essentially hinted he would give us a discount for the way we traded for and have treated him. Svech will be back.  We can upgrade at goalie and backup goalie or keep one of the guys or use Kotchetkov as full time backup and go for a higher number one..and we can see where we stand and then see if we need to add someone big time at the trade deadline next year. 

This scenario works whether or not we win the cup this year. Anyone objectively criticizing our GM at this point this season though I simply don't understand. Our roster is injured, but deep and we're still playing hockey. And we literally eliminated two of the dudes people were mad that we didnt end up with..

[DavidEng]

We had what, 6-8 million left on the cap table after TDL with Paci and Svech on LTIR? I don’t see how we didn’t take some advantage of that. Forget a timo that huge long term contract was never worth it.

This team has done an amazing job of stepping up in the playoffs and that and coaching are the only reason we are still here, not because an owner and GM knew we would be plenty good enough even with an injury to a player like Svech. (Initially we weren’t, look at Canes regular season record after Svech went down). Getting a little insurance is always a smart move.

Edited May 17, 2023 by DavidEng

[Harbingers]

8 minutes ago, DavidEng said:

We had what, 6-8 million left on the cap table after TDL with Paci and Svech on LTIR? I don’t see how we didn’t take some advantage of that. Forget a timo that huge long term contract was never worth it.

This team has done an amazing job of stepping up in the playoffs and that and coaching are the reason we are still here, not because an owner and GM knew we would be plenty good enough even with an injury to a player like Svech. Getting a little insurance is always a smart move.

Svech was not LT before the deadline. That’s the only gripe. We could have brought in a 3-4M rental to cover him had we been able to trade after the deadline. But I get why they don’t allow that.

Edited May 17, 2023 by Harbingers

[DavidEng]

3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Svech was not LT before the deadline. That’s the only gripe.

That’s correct. Not preparing for a potential injury was the only mistake by owner/GM. Nevertheless we have players fighting harder than they ever have to win now that we are in the playoffs to bail them out. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by DavidEng

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[Harbingers]

Fugging Lomberg. Why do I feel like Fasty needs to knock him out cold one of these games.