PETER KING with the latest: there are several within Panthers organization that favor Bryce Young

[stan786]

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

My #1 is adversity. I think both young and stroud are close to the same there. I also think if you put young on OS and stroud on bama, be the same results too. 

 

Another question- who is the bigger player- panther kicker eddy pineiro or young?

Another how do you feel about young recovering form a injury? like he lost 15% of his velocity form a elbow injury? 

What does Pinero have anything to do with it? Who do you think weighs more Sebastian Janakowski or CJ Stroud? Do kickers get hurt at a higher level in the pocket than others? Or just a gut feel thing?

Got a source on 15% or is that another gut feel? and what elbow injury? He came back a week after that shoulder injury and had one of his better performances vs Tennessee, seems like he recovered pretty well. 

[stan786]

2 minutes ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

This is an issue because too many QB who have any arm/shoulder/elbow injuries never seem to recover well to 100%. Both Young and Stroud have had their share of injuries but which will be the better choice in the draft that has a better chance at being 100% and ready to be a starter.

Yeah they both had almost identical shoulder injuries and both seemed to have a similar recovery arc. Stroud said it effected him most the year, hurt it week one and people were wondering if he would sit out the bowl game. AC joints are a relatively common QB injury. I’d say them both playing at the level they did after it is a positive for both of them.

[Basbear]

5 minutes ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

This is an issue because too many QB who have any arm/shoulder/elbow injuries never seem to recover well to 100%. Both Young and Stroud have had their share of injuries but which will be the better choice in the draft that has a better chance at being 100% and ready to be a starter.

Who can afford to lose more stroud or young? Ive seen young throw on his tippy toes and uses his whole body.....

2 minutes ago, stan786 said:

What does Pinero have anything to do with it? Who do you think weighs more Sebastian Janakowski or CJ Stroud? Do kickers get hurt at a higher level in the pocket than others? Or just a gut feel thing?

Got a source on 15% or is that another gut feel? and what elbow injury? He came back a week after that shoulder injury and had one of his better performances vs Tennessee, seems like he recovered pretty well. 

Its just a comparison. You didnt answer that like the others. 

No gut feel, just if young lost a % of elbow/back/arm/leg/etc strength, how much can he do before it effect his abilities? Is a question of how much room young has to recover? 

 

[stan786]

Just now, Basbear said:

Who can afford to lose more stroud or young? Ive seen young throw on his tippy toes and uses his whole body.....

Its just a comparison. You didnt answer that like the others. 

No gut feel, just if young lost a % of elbow/back/arm/leg/etc strength, how much can he do before it effect his abilities? Is a question of how much room young has to recover? 

 

I would guess long term it’s 0%s for him, generally guys gain some arm strength after getting to the nfl as well. If he’s got a degenerative issue they’ll find it in the physical, AC Joint is a pretty common nfl injury.

And I have no clue how big Pinero is I just know Bryce is small, I just don’t get why I’d care I guess.

[OldhamA]

20 hours ago, stan786 said:

I’m much more terrified of QBs that can’t handle pressure and I’ve seen enough out of Stroud I worry about his ceiling. I think Youngs mental abilities greatly outweigh his physical limitations, the stuff he can do and process becomes more and more apparent the more games I get though. It’s just my opinion of course but I have argued on here Bryce’s ceiling is as high as anyones in this class because of his mind.

I get people want to play it safe I just think safe is gonna get us Kirk Cousins unless he is what he was in that Georgia game and that’s also a risk from the number one pick.

Does anyone have a list of games I can watch where Stroud doesn't handle pressure well?

I've watched quite a few of his games and never noticed anything glaring.

Thanks in advance. 

[OldhamA]

29 minutes ago, Basbear said:

My #1 is adversity. I think both young and stroud are close to the same there. I also think if you put young on OS and stroud on bama, be the same results too. 

 

Another question- who is the bigger player- panther kicker eddy pineiro or young?

Another how do you feel about young recovering form a injury? like he lost 15% of his velocity form a elbow injury? 

Eddy Piñeiro is 2 inches taller than Bryce Young. He's 185lbs, so they're a very similar weight too. 

[Basbear]

Just now, stan786 said:

I would guess long term it’s 0%s for him, generally guys gain some arm strength after getting to the nfl as well. If he’s got a degenerative issue they’ll find it in the physical, AC Joint is a pretty common nfl injury.

And I have no clue how big Pinero is I just know Bryce is small, I just don’t get why I’d care I guess.

Given his frame and weight, would you agree he has less "wiggie" room than others?

 

Well brother, if he was drafted by the panthers, guess who becomes the smallest player on the 63 men roster? Including punter, kicker, LS........just gives you another vision....in order to benefit young should we include kristen balboni?? Shes on the team, right?!?

[stan786]

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Given his frame and weight, would you agree he has less "wiggie" room than others?

 

Well brother, if he was drafted by the panthers, guess who becomes the smallest player on the 63 men roster? Including punter, kicker, LS........just gives you another vision....in order to benefit young should we include kristen balboni?? Shes on the team, right?!?

I don’t think there’s anything to prove there is less wiggle room or not, Im not someone who makes assumptions and acts like they are facts though, I try and deep dive anything to find some correlation. Not sure smaller people having joints and ligaments that deteriorate faster is a thing. 

Guys small why do I need a comparison, I’m fully aware of his outlier status. 

[stan786]

13 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Does anyone have a list of games I can watch where Stroud doesn't handle pressure well?

I've watched quite a few of his games and never noticed anything glaring.

Thanks in advance. 

Honestly I think the stuff I watched in Penn State and Iowa specifically gave me pause. A lot of happy feet and a weird spin thing he keeps trying that’s nothing but trouble. The problem is he doesn’t deal with an abundance of pressure generally.

I think you can see the hints of positives all over though as well and I love he put it together for Georgia. I just wish there was more on tape because the negatives make me really nervous.

Edited April 8, 2023 by stan786

[Basbear]

7 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Eddy Piñeiro is 2 inches taller than Bryce Young. He's 185lbs, so they're a very similar weight too. 

Isnt it odd that you didnt know and had to look it up??........hmmmmm

[stan786]

Just now, Basbear said:

Isnt it odd that you didnt know and had to look it up??........hmmmmm

 

The whole gotcha stuff just doesn’t play with me, it’s an irrelevant correlation. 

[poundaway]

Pick the better QB.  It is so odd this year that most analysts have Young their #1 QB, but they predict Stroud go #1.  Take the #1 QB.

 

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, stan786 said:

I don’t think there’s anything to prove there is less wiggle room or not, Im not someone who makes assumptions and acts like they are facts though, I try and deep dive anything to find some correlation. Not sure smaller people having joints and ligaments that deteriorate faster is a thing. 

Guys small why do I need a comparison, I’m fully aware of his outlier status. 

If theres a 4.2 guy and he gets a injury and does all he can, but hes now a 4.5 guy. I feel young needs to be perfect on the injury-front, cause he has less room to lose. Be nice to know his 40 time as well, but thats another issue..

Do you prefer to have the smallest player on a NFL roster playing QB? 

[stan786]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

If theres a 4.2 guy and he gets a injury and does all he can, but hes now a 4.5 guy. I feel young needs to be perfect on the injury-front, cause he has less room to lose. Be nice to know his 40 time as well, but thats another issue..

Do you prefer to have the smallest player on a NFL roster playing QB? 

Sure if he actually tears his shoulder like Cam did that’s a different concern. But he’s not getting percentages taken off his arm for every ding, every injury has a different cost. Guys don’t get slower because of minor knee sprains. All QBs should worry about serious shoulder injuries though.

No of course It’s not my preference, I’d love for him to be bigger. I feel like I’ve made that clear. I am just not gonna let a bunch of assumption boogeyman prevent me from taking the best QB talent though, which he is by a decent amount in my eyes.