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Peter King - deal Williams or Stewart for 1st round pick

holycrikey

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You must be an idiot as well....why the fruk would you mess with a duo that ran for 1100 yards EACH....come on man....:rolleyes:

Nobody is saying mess up the duo, per se, but there are things to consider on the business side of the equation, as well as the wishes, desires and egos of Stew and Deangelo.

It's just a gut feeling, but I think that many of you are seeing this situation through rose-colored glasses. When contract time comes up for each one of them, are we realistically going to be able to keep them both, not only in regards to money, but in regards to touches (their desire to be the main guy, and sense of history)? We had a stud back riding the pine behind inferior talent, and drafted a back who people thought would be a stud, and actually turned out to be one. We got lucky in a sense, because D-Will tore it up last year, and Stewart confirmed his stud status this year. Now that both backs' stock is rising, the cat is out of the bag, and no one wants to address the big elephant in the room.

Not saying that we can't keep them both, but let's be less emotional and more real (and perhaps practical) about the situation.

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On a side note, I can see there are still holdouts to that "game manager" philosophy that theoretically only calls for an average QB. My goodness!

If I were the king of Panther land (or at least the Huddle), I would require all Foxball Bibles to be burned, and the mere mention of the words "game manager" or "average QB" punishable by a lifetime ban.

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DWill never had a chance. Foxy was being entirely tooo loyal to Fumblin' Foster. Like I previously stated, It's a lot harder to run the ball when the opposing Defense knows thats all ur gonna do. Stewie started putting up big numbers cuz Moore established a passing game. DWill was putting up numbers when sorry Delhomme couldn't even complete a pass.

Ok, I give you that Stewie put up big numbers in his second season but he had almost a 100 more carries then DWill did his second season. Now, DWill finally gets his chance to be the man in Carolina and 40% of his carries are taken away by Stewie and he still puts up 1500+yard and 18TDs. Not tryin to make competition among teammates but sry DWill>Stewie!!

Stewart put up numbers simply b/c he got significant touches in a starting role. Stewart didn't put up 200 on the Giants b/c of Moore.

reverse it.....Stewart recieves a fairly small window for success to do a stud in Williams running the ball. Both seasons Stewart has been in the league he has seaons w/ 10 TDs each.....and a strong y/c. Stewart will be a beast.......makes no sense to think Stewart won't get better and that Williams won't get worse as 30 comes around.

The question isn't who is better right at this moment.....the smart move is figuring out who will be peaking later when figuring out what to do w/ the RB situation.

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I'd trade D-Will, only if it was a good trade. Not sure about just 1 late round first though???

Stewart then is number 1 back, keep through rookie contract then pay him. Put Sutton and Goodson behind him as the smaller, slasher type.

only if can really improve team elsewhere with D-Will deal.

Otherwise, what do you do? Sign the Older D-Will next season and ride out Stewarts rookie contract then let him walk?

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only way I can justify trading away Double Trouble is for a young proven player and not a draft pick. Draft picks are gambles and they are both proven players. Going into next season.....that would make much sense to me.

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Stewart put up numbers simply b/c he got significant touches in a starting role. Stewart didn't put up 200 on the Giants b/c of Moore.

reverse it.....Stewart recieves a fairly small window for success to do a stud in Williams running the ball. Both seasons Stewart has been in the league he has seaons w/ 10 TDs each.....and a strong y/c. Stewart will be a beast.......makes no sense to think Stewart won't get better and that Williams won't get worse as 30 comes around.

The question isn't who is better right at this moment.....the smart move is figuring out who will be peaking later when figuring out what to do w/ the RB situation.

I'm not lookin toward the future cuz our offseason started after we played the Saints. We're lookin toward now and DWill is a top 5 back right now!! I never said Stewart won't get better. I mean he's already an amazing RB now but I think DWill is a better. Also, let's not make excuses about Stewart not gettin carries because his rookie season he got 40% of the touches and got majority of the touches this season.

On a side note tho, doesn't it feel good to argue about two incredible backs? There are teams wishing they had the problem we have! It's amazing. U also mention something about a RB situation right??... What RB situation?? In my opinion we don't have one. They share the ball just fine, so why mess with Double Trouble for an unproven rookie QB or WR when we managed to go 4-1 at the end of the season with Matt Moore?? Im like everyone when I say I don't kno if Moore's the answer but the man has made a strong case.

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I'd have to get more than just a draft pick, even if it is a first rounder. say a first and third, or a first and an established position player. We need so much help at WR and on STs. Of course, I don't think having a first rounder is necessarily a detriment to us. It's a lot of money to have to spend on a crap shoot, as all first rounders are (and all draft picks for that matter). I like that when either of our Bs were hurting this past year, the other one was there to contribute positively. That's a great luxury to have, and had we had a passing attack before Moore took over, we might be playing this weekend!

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I'm not lookin toward the future cuz our offseason started after we played the Saints. We're lookin toward now and DWill is a top 5 back right now!! I never said Stewart won't get better. I mean he's already an amazing RB now but I think DWill is a better. Also, let's not make excuses about Stewart not gettin carries because his rookie season he got 40% of the touches and got majority of the touches this season.

On a side note tho, doesn't it feel good to argue about two incredible backs? There are teams wishing they had the problem we have! It's amazing. U also mention something about a RB situation right??... What RB situation?? In my opinion we don't have one. They share the ball just fine, so why mess with Double Trouble for an unproven rookie QB or WR when we managed to go 4-1 at the end of the season with Matt Moore?? Im like everyone when I say I don't kno if Moore's the answer but the man has made a strong case.

but you can't look at just right now when you are trying to figure out which of the two RBs you are going to pay signifcant money to down the road. I think most agree Williams is the better RB today.......in 2 years from now that might be different. Carolina will have to look at that......

what RB situation? Fact is you can't extend both of them past there rookie deals. No team is gonna pump that much $ into 2 RBs on the same team. They both will be looking to top tier RB $ when there rookie deals are up.....Carolina can't do that. That is a situation down the road.

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I think the point is that "Double Trouble" will break up down the road, because we can't pay two huge contracts at same position. So the point would be to get something out of it to improve other parts of the team.

yep, the right/smart move is to make a move that will piss fans off......good teams that are managed well make these kind of moves at the right times.....bad teams don't realize that.

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You guys talk like both their contracts are expiring at the same time and without a cap we resign whoever the hell we want. Oh and Who says they both are gonna want top tier RB $$'s?? Not all players in Carolina are lookin to break the bank like Peppers. Some players actually enjoy playing in Carolina. Also, the point of the NFL is to win a Championship, so I'm not worried about down the road cuz most teams, like the Panthers, would want their Championships now.

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