Fox's Worst vs Best

[Davidson Deac II]

Do me a favor, and list the games where we have won by more than 2 TDs during his tenure.

23-25 of his wins have been by more than two td's.

[Chimera]

Do me a favor, and list the games where we have won by more than 2 TDs during his tenure.

2002:

vs. Detroit 31-7

vs. Cincinnatti 52-31

2003:

vs. Atlanta 23-3

vs. Dallas 29-10 (divisional round)

2004:

vs. Arizona 35-10

vs. Tampa Bay 37-20

2005:

vs. Minnesota 38-13

vs. Tampa Bay 34-14

vs. NY Jets 30-3

vs. Atlanta 24-6

vs. New Orleans 27-10

vs. Atlanta 44-11

vs. NY Giants 23-0 (divisional round)

2006:

vs. St. Louis 15-0

2007:

vs. Arizona 25-10

vs. San Fran 31-14

2008:

vs. Atlanta 24-9

vs. KC 34-0

vs. New Orleans 30-7

vs. Tampa Bay 38-23

2009:

vs. Minnesota 26-7

vs. NY Giants 41-9

22 wins by more than 14 points -16.9% of games

[guyinchesapeake]

If the game was only 3 quarters long, Fox may be considered the greatest coach ever. We might have been undefeated a few of those years if that were so. But the game is 4 quarters. I don't understand this 'play for a SHOT at winning in the 4th crap'. What ever happened to the philosophy of putting the other guy away for good as early as possible? Some teams have been successful at that, NE comes to mind, Pittsburg in good years, etc.

I'd like to see the record of our team, under Fox, where we had a lead going into the 4th quarter. How many did we win, and how many did we let get away?

[top dawg]

2002:

vs. Detroit 31-7

vs. Cincinnatti 52-31

2003:

vs. Atlanta 23-3

vs. Dallas 29-10 (divisional round)

2004:

vs. Arizona 35-10

vs. Tampa Bay 37-20

2005:

vs. Minnesota 38-13

vs. Tampa Bay 34-14

vs. NY Jets 30-3

vs. Atlanta 24-6

vs. New Orleans 27-10

vs. Atlanta 44-11

vs. NY Giants 23-0 (divisional round)

2006:

vs. St. Louis 15-0

2007:

vs. Arizona 25-10

vs. San Fran 31-14

2008:

vs. Atlanta 24-9

vs. KC 34-0

vs. New Orleans 30-7

vs. Tampa Bay 38-23

2009:

vs. Minnesota 26-7

vs. NY Giants 41-9

22 wins by more than 14 points -16.9% of games

Actually it is more than I though (though I probably should have said three TDs). I don't know whether or not this is an indicator of Killer instinct or not,

but I really don't think so.

[Kakarot]

a good amount of blowouts in '05. We were blowing teams out the water.

[Chimera]

If the game was only 3 quarters long, Fox may be considered the greatest coach ever. We might have been undefeated a few of those years if that were so. But the game is 4 quarters. I don't understand this 'play for a SHOT at winning in the 4th crap'. What ever happened to the philosophy of putting the other guy away for good as early as possible? Some teams have been successful at that, NE comes to mind, Pittsburg in good years, etc.

I'd like to see the record of our team, under Fox, where we had a lead going into the 4th quarter. How many did we win, and how many did we let get away?

Oh come on, you have the final scores of games we lost big and won big. Now you want someone to go through 130 box scores?

I see your point about 3 quarters long... especially during Fox's first season. We probably would have been 14-2 that year, only losing to Atlanta.

As for putting teh other guy away early, watch last week's Arizona-Green Bay game. Or the Houston-Buffalo playoff game from 1993.

[top dawg]

a good amount of blowouts in '05. We were blowing teams out the water.

Yeah! And the game against Seattle was the beginning of a new era---the era that defenses pretty much knew that if they focused the lion's share of their attention on Smitty, then the Panthers could be stopped, because there was no credible threat on the other side (or at least no one that would be appreciated by the QB or the sidelines). That game started to show the weaknesses of a team without a coach who could adapt to the demands of the game.

[Davidson Deac II]

Yeah! And the game against Seattle was the beginning of a new era---the era that defenses pretty much knew that if they focused the lion's share of their attention on Smitty, then the Panthers could be stopped, because there was no credible threat on the other side (or at least no one that would be appreciated by the QB or the sidelines). That game started to show the weaknesses of a team without a coach who could adapt to the demands of the game.

I disagree. It showed we had relatively little offensive talent. We can probably blame that on the coaches, but adaptation had little or nothing to do with it. We started the year with an offense that looked capable on paper. Stephen Davis and Foster looked to be capable backs, and Keary Colbert had a decent enough rookie year that I think they felt comfortable letting Moose go. By the end of the year, it was apparent that Davis was done, Colbert was not that good, and of course Foster was injured again. But the point is that the ability to adapt is irrelevant if you don't have some NFL level talent on the field.

And I will say that the team has made significant efforts to upgrade the offensive talent since then. Some of the moves didn't work out, while some did. Of course, the biggest problem on offense was at QB, and I think that the staff deserves a lot of blame for that problem. Hopefully, Moore works out, but I do hope they pick up someone else just in case he doesn't.

[Chimera]

We had Jamal Robertson playing halfback for most of that Seattle game. Nick Goings got injured early on. (Davis was on IR and Foster broke his ankle against Chicago) In that game, we rushed 12 times for 36 yards. Colbert started but did not have a catch. Drew Carter had a couple of long catches in garbage time.

Seattle was the #1 offense in the league. Shaun Alexander ran all over us. Hasselbeck torched us (not really, but his accuracy was dead-on).

My point... I would have preferred to have Foster in there than another WR. The Panthers started bleeding out when he got injured against Chicago. They blew out the Giants when Foster ran wild over them. They were on their way to blowing out Chicago when Foster got hurt. Yes, Steve Smith had over 200 yards that day, but do you think that would have happened if Chicago didn't respect the running game? Seattle didn't need to. Even with another WR, Seattle's DBs were great that year.

[[email protected]]

Fox's system has seemingly improved every year. Without Jake this year and questionably last year, Fox would have at least 1 Super Bowl trophy. He has continuously drafted well and had good backups (That was never so evident as this year). I have been hating allot on Fox, and the reason is this. When you see this team open up alas the last 4 games this year, you can see what a great running offense can do when passing effectively and playing stellar defense. Fox strays from the passing game way to much. I think with the emergence of Moore, Fox may open up the book a little more. If he does that successfully and we make it deep into the playoffs if not the Super Bowl, Fox will be here to stay for a few more years.

His system works. He just needs to understand that conservative calling doesn't always get it done. Dont play to keep it close, play to completely embarrass the other team.

[Lords0fPain]

2002:

vs. Detroit 31-7

vs. Cincinnatti 52-31

2003:

vs. Atlanta 23-3

vs. Dallas 29-10 (divisional round)

2004:

vs. Arizona 35-10

vs. Tampa Bay 37-20

2005:

vs. Minnesota 38-13

vs. Tampa Bay 34-14

vs. NY Jets 30-3

vs. Atlanta 24-6

vs. New Orleans 27-10

vs. Atlanta 44-11

vs. NY Giants 23-0 (divisional round)

2006:

vs. St. Louis 15-0

2007:

vs. Arizona 25-10

vs. San Fran 31-14

2008:

vs. Atlanta 24-9

vs. KC 34-0

vs. New Orleans 30-7

vs. Tampa Bay 38-23

2009:

vs. Minnesota 26-7

vs. NY Giants 41-9

22 wins by more than 14 points -16.9% of games

Was curious what the competition was of the games that we won by 2 TDs or more those particular years. Just thought I would pass it a long. Never too many facts for pattern findings.

9 of the 22 games the team had losing records that season

6 more where at .500

7 had a winning record

2002

Loins 3-13

Bungles 2-14

Panthers 7-9

2003

Atlanta 5-11

Dallas 10-6

Panthers 11-5

2004

Arizona 6-10

Tampa Bay 5-11

Panthers 7-9

2005

Minnesota 9-7

Tampa Bay 11-5

NY Jets 4-12

Atlanta 8-8

New Orleans 3-13

Atlanta 8-8

NY Giants 11-5

Panthers 11-5

2006:

St. Louis 8-8

Panthers 8-8

2007:

Arizona 8-8

San Fran 5-11

Panthers 7-9

2008:

Atlanta 11-5

KC 2-4

New Orleans 8-8

Tampa Bay 9-7

Panthers 12-4

2009:

Minnesota 12-4

NY Giants 8-8

Panthers 8-8

[Lords0fPain]

John Fox's record is 71-57. Good enough in the NFL for a .555 win percentage. We all know how good Fox can be:

No Team ever quit on him

when healthy- he can take a team deep into the playoffs

Fox's motto- Protect the football and grind it out to have a chance to win in the 4th

But how often does that work? What about the times Fox doesn't have a chance to win it in the 4th? When his motto doesnt play out well- just how BAD is Fox's Worst??

Heres the list of games that Fox's Panthers over the years have lost by More that 14 points.

10/20/02 at Atlanta L 0-30

11/24/02 ATLANTA L 0-41

12/15/02 at Pittsburgh L 14-30

01/06/02 NEW ENGLAND L 6-38

10/19/03 TENNESSEE L 17-37

10/03/04 ATLANTA L 10-27

10/17/04 at Philadelphia L 8-30

10/24/04 SAN DIEGO L 6-17

09/10/06 ATLANTA L 6-20

10/29/06 DALLAS L 14-35

12/17/06 PITTSBURGH L 3-37

01/22/06 at Seattle (NFC Championship Game) L 14-34

10/28/07 INDIANAPOLIS L 7-31

11/25/07 NEW ORLEANS L 6-31

12/09/07 at Jacksonville L 6-37

10/12/08 at Tampa Bay L 3-27

11/23/08 at Atlanta L 28-45

01/10/09 ARIZONA (NFC Divisional Playoffs) L 13-33

09/13/09 PHILADELPHIA L 10-38

19 losses total. Out of the 57- thats .333%

so just about 1/3 of every loss is a Bashing under Fox, some are massacres.. a game where winning or losing in the 4th Qtr is not an option- Losing is a given!

Thought I would do the same here. For those interested.

2002

10/20/02 at Atlanta 9-6-1

11/24/02 ATLANTA 9-6-1

12/15/02 at Pittsburgh 10-5-1

01/06/02 NEW ENGLAND 9-7 ( this game was under the Seafart regime, 2001 season)

Panthers 7-9

2003

10/19/03 TENNESSEE 12-4

Panthers 11-5

2004

10/03/04 ATLANTA 11-5

10/17/04 at Philadelphia 13-3

10/24/04 SAN DIEGO 12-4

Panthers 7-9

2006

09/10/06 ATLANTA 7-9

10/29/06 DALLAS 9-7

12/17/06 PITTSBURGH 8-8

Panthers 8-8

2005

01/22/06 at Seattle (NFC Championship Game) 13-3 (this was 2005 Reg season Record)

Panthers 11-5

2007

10/28/07 INDIANAPOLIS 13-3

11/25/07 NEW ORLEANS 7-9

12/09/07 at Jacksonville 11-5

Panthers 7-9

2008

10/12/08 at Tampa Bay 9-7

11/23/08 at Atlanta 11-5

01/10/09 ARIZONA (NFC Divisional Playoffs) 9-7 (reg Season)

Panthers 12-4

2009

09/13/09 PHILADELPHIA 11-5

Panthers 8-8