A Case For Being Optimistic.

[rayzor]

What site did you find these stats on? I wondered how the breakdown worked out.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/home.php?tab=home

[koolkatluke]

I know a lot of people are confused, uncertain, or even upset by some of the moves made by the Panther's front office this off-season. I figure it is my duty, as carolinhuddle's most respected poster, to quell the voices of some of the malcontents like p55 and others spreading doomsday messages every chance they get.

This is my gift.

This is my curse.

I am SmootsDaddy89.

Jake Delhomme

You have to be a complete imbecile (looking at you, AK) to believe that we're worse off at the QB position now than we were last season. Will Matt Moore play like Tom Brady next year? Probably not. Will he even play as well as he did the last five games of 2009? It's a toss-up. But really, if he plays only as well as Jake did in 2009 (Not that well, mind you) we'd still have an excellent shot at snagging a playoff spot next year.

I agree

Brad Hoover

When the Panthers drafted Tony Fiammetta in the fourth round last year, we all knew this was coming. I actually expected Hoover would be cut after last season when we drafted him. Hoover was an average fullback, no matter how badly people here would like to deify him. Fiammetta was one of the more highly-touted fullbacks coming out of college. He has all the skills needed to be an elite fullback in the NFL. Will he be that kind of player? I don't know. I wouldn't judge him based on his terribly limited playing time last year. With a full off-season's worth of practice with the starters, I truly believe that he will be a beast of a fullback next season.

Tony done nothing too show he was ready for the job even when Hoover was out. But I can deal with this just didn't like how it was handled. Muhsin Muhammad

Look, I love Moose, you love Moose, we all love Moose. But to pretend that his ability (outside of blocking) hasn't been declining lately is foolish thinking. This, along with defensive end, is a weak spot. And from the looks of things, it appears Jarrett will be given a chance to start next season, regardless of who we bring in. (Although I do think we'll take someone in the second or third round in the draft, but probably they'll spend this season playing the slot, unless Jarrett fails miserably.) I don't know how this will work out, truthfully. I could see Jarrett finally sobering up (literally) and taking responsibility when it's finally forced on him, and I hope that's what happens. I still believe that he has all the tools to be Moose Jr, if he gets serious about it.

If they do the Rookie thing without atleast getting 1 vet wr they would be doing smith, moore, and the rest of the offence a diservices. It usely takes a WR 3 years before they make a impact. Plus I don't want too depend on jarre getting it. He should not be given the job make him beat someone out.

Keydrick Vincent

Keydrick was diamond in the rough, but MacKenzy Bernadeau (aka the French Flattener) showed that he's more than capable of taking over for him. I don't even think most people are concerned about Vincent anyway, so I'll leave it at that.

No problem with this one either plus we have Duke Robinson

Julius Peppers/Tyler Brayton

Julius Peppers was dominating when he wanted to be, but he was also a lazy asshole. No one's going to be terribly sad to see him go. Brayton was an excellent signing for us, so much so that we actually tried to retain him, despite him being 30. I still think we will re-sign him once he realizes he's not worth what he thinks he is. (If Seattle is any indication, it doesn't appear we're the only ones who think he's worth less than he does.) If not, we may very well use another early pick on a defensive end. I have all the confidence in the world in Charles Johnson, however. And I believe Brown will be a great pass-rusher. My main concern is his ability to play the run. Douglas, despite his age, is another possible solution here as well.

This is scary you are not only asking these 2 guys too step up their own pass rush and stop the run. But they also have too atleast do half of Pep production. People are also lying on here I for 1 expect CJ too beat out Brayton last year and hit double digit sacks and more tackles. He did neither so he regressed in my book. Now the Douglas thing is even more stupid. Brayton knows the system and is younger with less were and tear on his body. So what he cost more money it's worth it too have a guy you have worked with.

Maake Kemoeatu/Damione Lewis

Kemo was a fat turd who excelled at grabbing guards and centers and giving them great big bear hugs, but outside of that, he's been horribly overrated by our fanbase. And no matter how good you think he is, he simply will never be able to perform at a high level again with his injury. Lewis was good in a ROTATION, but not as the starter. If we could bring him back for cheap, I'd be happy with that. But both sides seem to believe it's not happening. Leonard, Tyler, Irvin, and even Johnson provide a good rotation, and I believe they're capable of replacing Kemo and Lewis. We may not have a dominant NT anymore, but really we haven't had that since we traded Jenkins.

I don't mind cutting Kemo but cutting Lewis was stupid. Now we are depending on 3 guys coming off injuries who only played 1 game on the team and a head case. Atleast we should have kept Lewis for leadership and too smooth out the transition.

Na'il Diggs

Like Hoover, the writing was pretty much on the wall here once we drafted Dan Connor, especially considering how much Dan was hyped as being the next great Penn State linebacker heading into the draft. People say Anderson will probably get the start, but I really think it's going to be Connor's job to lose, and we should still have one of the best linebacker corps in the NFL next year. Connor, simply put, is a bad mother f**ker. Just check his wallet.

Diggs is way better then Connor. He is better in coverage which will be a mismatch if we put Connors on the strong side. Plus Diggs is a way better passrusher.

Connor is a MlB with limited range and no coverage skills. It is scary too think about him trying to cover the TE in our division. James a is small and has a problem fighting of blocks and avioding Olinmen. If he starts he will be hurt by game 4. We should have kept Diggs or signed Witherspoon.

One final point here.

How quickly we forget that just two years ago, we were in much the same position as we are now. We lost/replaced nine starters from the 2007 season: Foster, Colbert, Wahle, Hartwig, Bridges, Rucker, Jenkins, Morgan, and Cooper. We went into the 2008 season with two rookies starting at the key positions of right tackle and free safety, with another (Stewart) basically a starter himself because of how we use our running backs. What was the result? A 12-4 season, an NFC South title, a first-round bye in the playoffs, and who knows what else could have been if Jake didn't implode.

Losing players doesn't HAVE to have a major impact on a team's ability to perform at a high level the following season. Provided you have the players to replace those that you lost. Hell, Miami had a large roster turnover prior to the 2008 season as well, and they won their division, just one year after finishing 1-15. With the possible exceptions of wide receiver and defensive end, I believe we have the players already on the roster to fill the shoes of those we've lost.

So cheer up panthers55, Pat Kirwan is a useless douche who should shave that ridiculous mustache of his.

Dude was on target you can drank the Kool aid if you want but I'm going too need too see some FA signings before I kick out the raise Jerry trying too make us his fans in this economy pay too see a team he didn't want too spend on.

[panthers55]

http://www.profootballfocus.com/home.php?tab=home

Thanks. It looks like a good site. I will add it to my favorites list.:cheers2:

[frash.exe]

rofl "muddling"????? "iron fist"?????? I do support the Panthers. I'm just not expecting playoffs this year. And yes, I always hope any player doing poorly will bounce back. I don't decide the line up. I'll do the same thing this year. Who do you think will be the first player you throw under the bus? :frown2:

Panthers55 turned any hair on his head that still had pigment gray last year by painstakingly replying to anybody and everybody that had a lick of criticism for Jake Delhomme's Arizona game, his re-signing, and Fox sticking by him that he disagreed and Jake was going to bounce back, how he wasn't 100% back from tommy john, and basically making every excuse he possibly could to cover the reality that Delhomme was over the hill and not coming back.

And you were one of those whining and harassing that John Fox was the absolute worst coach in the world, couldn't do anything right (or, really, like you would do it) and Hurney was an idiot. And never thought the players themselves should shoulder any blame for poor play (except of course Peppers & Delhomme).

where is this established rulebook of guidelines you have that has told you that you need to be better than someone at something in order to criticize them?

Now posters are expecting Fox & Hurney to save the day and saying that it is up to the players to step up and - OMG - act like grown men. What I said all last year.

I've never said such things, all I've been saying was that cutting all the dead weight was beneficial for the team.

I really don't understand all the posters, you included, who last year claimed they expected nothing short of playoffs and that you can complain if you want, are now accepting possible average as okay.

lol you gave me poo when i criticized the organization a few months ago and now you're making it known you don't agree with the decisions they're making. That's my main point and you're trying to turn it back around to vindicate yourself

:icon_bs:

f**k your smiley

So I guess we're back to the basic argument again, a year later. How the fug do you think it's okay for you to complain but not anyone who doesn't agree with you?

I don't think that, I think that anybody who accuses people who criticize the team that they don't support the team should understand they're doing the exact same thing right now (criticizing)

stfu

[panthers55]

Panthers55 turned any hair on his head that still had pigment gray last year by painstakingly replying to anybody and everybody that had a lick of criticism for Jake Delhomme's Arizona game, his re-signing, and Fox sticking by him that he disagreed and Jake was going to bounce back, how he wasn't 100% back from tommy john, and basically making every excuse he possibly could to cover the reality that Delhomme was over the hill and not coming back.

I don't think that, I think that anybody who accuses people who criticize the team that they don't support the team should understand they're doing the exact same thing right now (criticizing)

I have admitted I was wrong about Jake last year. No one gets it right all the time and I am no exception to the rule.

I agree with you (for once) that people have a right to state their opinion and criticize the team especially when it well reasoned and backed with evidence. And criticism doesn't mean you don't support the team simply that you don't support the direction they have chosen. As I have said repeatedly, poeple on this forum are alot of things but outside of the trolls and constant naysayers, we have a strong group of fans and lots of differing opinions. As long as people keep it civil and avoid personal attacks there is no reason we can't discuss our differences in a mature adult fashion.

[GRWatcher]

Panthers55 turned any hair on his head that still had pigment gray last year by painstakingly replying to anybody and everybody that had a lick of criticism for Jake Delhomme's Arizona game, his re-signing, and Fox sticking by him that he disagreed and Jake was going to bounce back, how he wasn't 100% back from tommy john, and basically making every excuse he possibly could to cover the reality that Delhomme was over the hill and not coming back.

This is not the point. What I'm saying is that everyone has the right to speak his opinion with out harassment.

where is this established rulebook of guidelines you have that has told you that you need to be better than someone at something in order to criticize them?

I'm not saying that, you are posting like that.

I've never said such things, all I've been saying was that cutting all the dead weight was beneficial for the team.

Reading lesson: Posters

lol you gave me poo when i criticized the organization a few months ago and now you're making it known you don't agree with the decisions they're making. That's my main point and you're trying to turn it back around to vindicate yourself

Again, no, I'm saying that you are being hypicritical. Nothing but the best was good enough last year but it's good enough this year?

f**k your smiley

I don't think that, I think that anybody who accuses people who criticize the team that they don't support the team should understand they're doing the exact same thing right now (criticizing)

lol Didn't say anything like that. Reading problem? Okay, here it is again:

You ---> okay to complain about whatever you want to

Those who don't say, "Yes!" to you ---> not okay to complain about anything

Why is that okay?

Would it be better for you if I was a guy? Sorry, can't do that.

[frash.exe]

This is not the point. What I'm saying is that everyone has the right to speak his opinion with out harassment.

lol this is the internet, not the Cross Examination Debate Association

I'm not saying that, you are posting like that.

according to you

Reading lesson: Posters

comprehension lesson: You just bunched me in with posters who were complaining right before that sentence, and then tried to make a point of contradiction on their part.

Again, no, I'm saying that you are being hypicritical. Nothing but the best was good enough last year but it's good enough this year?

this is in reference to what? stop speaking in generalities and really specify what you're trying to say or what quote I've said that you're using to interpret that being an average team is acceptable to me this season?

lol Didn't say anything like that. Reading problem? Okay, here it is again:

You ---> okay to complain about whatever you want to

Those who don't say, "Yes!" to you ---> not okay to complain about anything

Why is that okay?

Did I say you said that? Then again i didn't even specifically mention you (or anybody) in my first post so what the hell are you answering for like it was you i addressed specifically?

Would it be better for you if I was a guy? Sorry, can't do that.

oh i'm sorry maybe this is a more accurate visualization.

[KillerKat]

I have admitted I was wrong about Jake last year. No one gets it right all the time and I am no exception to the rule.

I agree with you (for once) that people have a right to state their opinion and criticize the team especially when it well reasoned and backed with evidence. And criticism doesn't mean you don't support the team simply that you don't support the direction they have chosen. As I have said repeatedly, poeple on this forum are alot of things but outside of the trolls and constant naysayers, we have a strong group of fans and lots of differing opinions. As long as people keep it civil and avoid personal attacks there is no reason we can't discuss our differences in a mature adult fashion.

So saying we wont win more than 7 games is well reasoned and backed by evidence?

[SmootsDaddy89]

Does anyone else imagine panthers55 being the Boromir to Jake Delhomme's Aragorn?

"I would have would have followed you unto the very gates of the Super Bowl itself. My brother... my captain... my QUARTERBACK!!!!!!!!"

[panthers55]

So saying we wont win more than 7 games is well reasoned and backed by evidence?

No that is just my opinion at this point. But it is only March. I will have a better defined opinion about what we do this year with more evidence when the season starts and there is something to say. Right now all we have to judge by are who are gone since we haven't really picked anyone up. That will change in the next 2 or 3 months.

[panthers55]

Does anyone else imagine panthers55 being the Boromir to Jake Delhomme's Aragorn?

"I would have would have followed you unto the very gates of the Super Bowl itself. My brother... my captain... my QUARTERBACK!!!!!!!!"

WTF??? He isn't even a Panther anymore. I haven't thought about him much. You seem to be the one obsessed about Jake and me apparently. You are starting to get creepy. Don't you have a job or a real life??

[SmootsDaddy89]

Yes I'm terribly creepy for making fun of the fact that you continued to argue with other people in my thread after I left.

[Montie_0123]

nice post

[panthers55]

Yes I'm terribly creepy for making fun of the fact that you continued to argue with other people in my thread after I left.

You are creepy. You follow me from thread to threas and whether or not I am talking to you, take every opportunity to attack my comments and use my name in any negative fashion. Just the kind of guy who has a secret room with pictures and copies of my posts I have made circled in blood and such. A real psycho. You take everything personally and go on and on page after page.

The funny thing is you get pwned on every thread and still keep at it.

Go ahead don't response to the post or use my name for a week. I bet you can't do it. Stalker.