NFL Week 18 Games

[Joe Bear]

7 hours ago, frankw said:

Just a week ago it was you doing the flexing on behalf of that 14-3 QB now suddenly it's a problem to talk about him having his worst game since his time with the Jets heading into the playoffs. Bit hypocritical.

Huh? You've missed the point, my guy.

I was saying that the quintet of people here who fashion themselves as the smartest people in every room espoused hot takes about players who eventually panned out, too. That was the entire focus: your own hypocrisy. I'd take any QB who could help you go 14-3. I don't give a damn about Darnold otherwise. 

[frankw]

28 minutes ago, Joe Bear said:

Huh? You've missed the point, my guy.

I was saying that the quintet of people here who fashion themselves as the smartest people in every room espoused hot takes about players who eventually panned out, too. That was the entire focus: your own hypocrisy. I'd take any QB who could help you go 14-3. I don't give a damn about Darnold otherwise. 

Seems like a silly thing to hyperfocus on especially in this day and age. The bulk of social media sports circles are full of people who offer nothing but hot takes. The sports talking heads legitimately aren't even much better even the former players. They get it wrong as much as anyone else. I don't necessarily like it either but it is what it is if it bothers you that much then turn it off and disengage.

You are the one who went out of your way to dig up threads about him to point at others yet you don't care? Doesn't line up.

Darnold has clearly been as successful as he had been to this point because of the system in place and the roster around him. Similarly to Purdy with the 49ers. But the facade always eventually begins to fade. If you want to win a Super Bowl more often than not you need that elite QB or at least a fringe elite QB who isn't system dependent.

[Joe Bear]

58 minutes ago, frankw said:

Seems like a silly thing to hyperfocus on especially in this day and age. The bulk of social media sports circles are full of people who offer nothing but hot takes. The sports talking heads legitimately aren't even much better even the former players. They get it wrong as much as anyone else. I don't necessarily like it either but it is what it is if it bothers you that much then turn it off and disengage.

You are the one who went out of your way to dig up threads about him to point at others yet you don't care? Doesn't line up.

Darnold has clearly been as successful as he had been to this point because of the system in place and the roster around him. Similarly to Purdy with the 49ers. But the facade always eventually begins to fade. If you want to win a Super Bowl more often than not you need that elite QB or at least a fringe elite QB who isn't system dependent.

I did it because I had a hunch the people who were separating their shoulders patting themselves on the back for their opinions were in fact wrong about QBs before. Fifteen seconds of searching proved that to be the case. Again -- pointing out when the smartest people in the room have poor takes like those they disparage doesn't make me a Darnold fanatic anymore than it'd make me a Mayfield fan if I did the same thing, only a year later.

That said -- Darnold's a product of what's around him being exceptional but it doesn't mean he's a bust. Brad Johnson and Nick Foles, among others, come to mind re: QBs elevated by their teams to Lombardis. I think history's proven no one could win with Matt Rhule as the HC.

Steve Wilks took that same team to the brink of a division title and made it relevant for a month (the only month it's been relevant since Tepper bought the team).

[frankw]

4 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

I did it because I had a hunch the people who were separating their shoulders patting themselves on the back for their opinions were in fact wrong about QBs before. Fifteen seconds of searching proved that to be the case. Again -- pointing out when the smartest people in the room have poor takes like those they disparage doesn't make me a Darnold fanatic anymore than it'd make me a Mayfield fan if I did the same thing, only a year later.

That said -- Darnold's a product of what's around him being exceptional but it doesn't mean he's a bust. Brad Johnson and Nick Foles, among others, come to mind re: QBs elevated by their teams to Lombardis. I think history's proven no one could win with Matt Rhule as the HC.

Steve Wilks took that same team to the brink of a division title and made it relevant for a month (the only month it's been relevant since Tepper bought the team).

People on here are wrong all the time. I mean some of our best draft picks people didn't like initially due to various reasons. On the other hand there have been a multitude of decisions made by people who are paid very well to know what they're doing that some Panthers fans here saw as a mistake a mile away.

Well look man let's put all the chips on the table. Because your grievance is particularly about the QB position. The Panthers have had only two long term starting franchise QB's in 30 years. Thirty years. Two. This fanbase has seen a hell of a lot of poor to mediocre QB play and even short lived fairy tales like the Kyle Allen win streak or going back even further Matt Moore.

As far as Darnold and Mayfield goes I think they are certainly overachieving but I don't think anyone here that was critical of either of them were wrong. They both had a heaping portion of humble pie here that has served them greatly now. Mayfield in particular because when he first got here he was still a cocky idiot. Darnold at least kept his head down and did his job for the most part.

But I have a hard time seeing either of them going far in the playoffs because in the midst of some of their best games I've seen the same flawed QB's. Darnold is no Nick Foles let's be real with one another here. Baker specifically looked like hot garbage against our defense in Charlotte recently. And those best teams in the playoffs have all that on film and damn well know about it too if average fans like us can see it.

Edited January 7 by frankw

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, frankw said:

People on here are wrong all the time. I mean some of our best draft picks people didn't like initially due to various reasons. On the other hand there have been a multitude of decisions made by people who are paid very well to know what they're doing that some Panthers fans here saw as a mistake a mile away.

Well look man let's put all the chips on the table. Because your grievance is particularly about the QB position. The Panthers have had only two long term starting franchise QB's in 30 years. Thirty years. Two. This fanbase has seen a hell of a lot of poor to mediocre QB play and even short lived fairy tales like the Kyle Allen win streak or going back even further Matt Moore.

As far as Darnold and Mayfield goes I think they are certainly overachieving but I don't think anyone here that was critical of either of them were wrong. They both had a heaping portion of humble pie here that has served them greatly now. Mayfield in particular because when he first got here he was still a cocky idiot. Darnold at least kept his head down and did his job for the most part.

But I have a hard time seeing either of them going far in the playoffs because in the midst of some of their best games I've seen the same flawed QB's. Darnold is no Nick Foles let's be real with one another here. Baker specifically looked like hot garbage against our defense in Charlotte recently. And those best teams in the playoffs have all that on film and damn well know about it too if average fans like us can see it.

If you're out as soon as you're wrong about a draft prospect no one has survived a single draft. Hell, probably not a single round. It's a damn crap shoot. LOL