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We should have seen this coming....


firstdayfan

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Fanfest...preseason...the offense has been pitiful since the start. I can't believe we are so surprised at how bad the offense is, I've never seen them as bad as they were this year at fanfest. I can't exactly put my finger on why but we definitely should have seen this coming. Hopefully jimmy can spark the offense.

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Very true sir, it has looked like poo all along. We have to work in some more shorter quick slant/quick out passes. We run too many intermediate and deep routes which causes the quarterback to be under serious pressure by the time our receivers break on every pass play. With our sub-par O-line play we should run the majority of our pass plays spread out with those quick passes and work in the deep ones here and there.

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I think most (myself included), saw it was a continuation of last season. We were so dominant the last few weeks on offense with Matt that we thought it would continue when we got Smitty back.

We were dominate because we played the Bucks and one of the worst D's the league has ever seen (by the end of the season)...Most were blinded by the wins instead of seeing why we got the wins!

I will give it to Matt we beat Minn and that was a good win; that said, every dog has their day!

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We were dominate because we played the Bucks and one of the worst D's the league has ever seen (by the end of the season)...Most were blinded by the wins instead of seeing why we got the wins!

I will give it to Matt we beat Minn and that was a good win; that said, every dog has their day!

There can always be excuses or reasons why we won or lost, but at the end of the day we won cause we were the better team on the field that day.

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I think most (myself included), saw it was a continuation of last season. We were so dominant the last few weeks on offense with Matt that we thought it would continue when we got Smitty back.

Then again some of us said that the real problem is that this team is no where close to the team at the end of last year. With all the new faces and lack of veteran leadership this team has to forge their own identity and develop their own chemistry. So far that hasn't happen. Now we will see whether we get it together or fall apart. Whether we still have enough leadership to dig ourself out of the hole or not.

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We were dominate because we played the Bucks and one of the worst D's the league has ever seen (by the end of the season)...Most were blinded by the wins instead of seeing why we got the wins!

I will give it to Matt we beat Minn and that was a good win; that said, every dog has their day!

Not even close. That team had great chemistry, got on a roll and both the defense and offense played with great intensity and passion. This year's team isn't close to that one with the loss of so many veterans. This team plays with no passion or with no urgency. This team has to develop the fire and passion that we had last year. Otherwise we won't win 5 games this year.

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