OK ENOUGH. Can't we just be realistic about Jimmy Clausen?

[Millions]

Cosign what is being said already let Clausen learn on the front lines ala Freeman we are playing for nothing this year but a high draft pick.

[PantherFanForLife]

While Jimmy has yet to prove himself, Moore was nothing less than horrible at his time as QB. If you think differently you were not watching the same games as everyone else.

Matt Moore:

Had a lot of trouble in the pocket. He was never comfortable there and could not control the pocket with his feet at all. Left his OL out to dry in pass protection with his inability to move into or around the pocket. I watched him get sacked in the TB game on a 7 step drop because he dropped and sat. He never moved back into the "hole" that was created once the DE's got too far upfield. When you give a DE an angle like that to get to you, it makes it almost immpossible for the OT's to block them.

Moore also had a tendency to leave the pocket too quickly. Once you bolt from the pocket, your OL is no longer able to block for you. You are once again screwing them over and setting them up for a holding penalty.

On his drop back Moore was holding the ball too low. Instead of up by his shoulder, he was holding it around his gut. This makes your release about twice as long as it should be, this was something he was NOT doing last year. Don't know why he started doing it.

Moore decision making was slow and his field vision was bad. Once he saw an open man, he would hesitate. By the time the ball got out, he was no longer open. Moore was very bad at reading the break in a WR's route and anticipating when he was going to come open. He had trouble diagnosing what the D was trying to do during passing situations. He also tended to want to loft his throws, especially in the first game. Moores accuaracy was inaddequate to all points of the field. He rarely took what the D was giving and just go to the checkdown.

All in all, there was very little if anything that was positive about Moores time as a starting QB for the Carolina Panthers. Biggest concern was there was NO improvement at all from game 1 to game 2.

Jimmy Clausen:

Jimmy is a rookie and made rookie mistakes. His accuracy the first half was not good. He seemed to be a bit indecisive on where he wanted to go with the ball at times. He fumbled a snap because he was too jittery and pulled away from the center too quickly. He locked onto his recievers too quickly and stared them down for too long.

However, Jimmy improved quite a bit in the second half. His accuracy and decision making improved. He looked more in control of his "jitters".

Jimmy is also stellar in the pocket. He makes it a lot easier for his OL to block for him. He seems to know where in the pocket he needs to be to get that extra half second of blocking. He holds the ball well and his release is clean. He looks downfield first and is not adverse to throwing it underneath if nothing presents itself downfield quickly. He seems to be able to read a D a little better than Moore does at this point in his carreer.

He still had issues with locking on to targets, something that is fixable. He seemed to be able to read the break in a WR's route but was locked on so the DB knew he was going there. The INT to Smith was proof of this. If Jimmy hadn't of been locked on right there, Smith would have had seperation. Needs to work on this.

All in all, the simple fact that Clausen improved from the 1st half to the 2nd is a big positive. There is work to be done to improve his game before he becomes anything near elite, but the potential is there. This was a tough first test for a rookie QB, rainy day against a very good secondary. If he is willing to put in the time then Clausen has the abilities to be very good one day.

I don't agree with your analysis on Matt. Matt was slower to release the ball, but his feet were not bad. He managed to get us first downs a couple of times with his feet and in fact took too many sacks because HE DID NOT leave the pocket soon enough. He also showed better game management and leadership compared to Jimmy.

And there was CLEAR improvement from game 1 to game 2. No interceptions in the red zone! I think that counts as a HUGE improvement and overall less turnovers on his part.

And finally, I have not said it yet, but Matt could at least find Smith. I wanted Jimmy to find some other players but not at the expense of not putting the ball in your best playmaker's hands. You just have to find a way to get the ball in that guy's hands. At least Matt was concious of that fact and managed to do so BOTH games.

[Mycorona135]

Keep in mind Clausen got thrown into the wolves against the Bengals. Moore looked like dog poo against 2 poo ass defenses in NY and Tampa.

[PantherFanForLife]

PantherFanForLife..........something is fishy here, you wouldn't happen ACTUALLY be Matt Moore would you? I wouldn't be suprised, I seen far worse. I hope your renting in Charlotte, market is bad, hope you didn't buy anything longterm.

No, actually I'm Jake. And I would have won all 3 of these games if I was still with the team.

[blackcat]

Clausen's the future, Matt Moore is the back up.

[Pox 08]

Clausen's the future, Matt Moore is the back up.

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Matt Moore: I'll be behind Jimmy

[TheRealDeal]

Everyone PLEASE stop saying his accuracy improved in the second half today...just chalk it up to Cincy playing a little more off and giving up the underneath stuff when the game was out of reach...Clausen was 6/8 on one of the last drives down by 2 scores that's where the increase in % happened...next argument

[House]

I don't agree with your analysis on Matt. Matt was slower to release the ball, but his feet were not bad. He managed to get us first downs a couple of times with his feet and in fact took too many sacks because HE DID NOT leave the pocket soon enough. He also showed better game management and leadership compared to Jimmy.

And there was CLEAR improvement from game 1 to game 2. No interceptions in the red zone! I think that counts as a HUGE improvement and overall less turnovers on his part.

And finally, I have not said it yet, but Matt could at least find Smith. I wanted Jimmy to find some other players but not at the expense of not putting the ball in your best playmaker's hands. You just have to find a way to get the ball in that guy's hands. At least Matt was concious of that fact and managed to do so BOTH games.

If you considered "better with his feet" his ability to get out and run for a few yards, then yeah, Moore is faster. If you consider "better with his feet" his ability to extend the pocket and the play without creating a sack, no way is Moore in Jimmy's league.

I also don't buy the whole no INT's in the red zone as improvement. If Moore was still throwing the type of shitty passes in the red zone against TB he would need to be taken out and shot becuase he would be mentally defective.

The things that Moore was doing in the NYG game that made him ineffective were the same things he did in the TB game.

Who cares if Matt is willing to throw it to SS all day long no matter the coverage. Didn't we just spend the last 7 years complaining that was the exact same problem our last QB had? Know you are suddenly willing to go back to that? I don't care how pissed Smitty is that he isn't targeted enough, if Jimmy is throwing it to an open WR, which he was, then I am happy.

[Mr. Scot]

"Realistic" is it was his first game, behind a poor offensive line, against a solid defense, in wet conditions, and despite all that he had good moments as the game went on.

He should remain the starter.

[PantherFanForLife]

If you considered "better with his feet" his ability to get out and run for a few yards, then yeah, Moore is faster. If you consider "better with his feet" his ability to extend the pocket and the play without creating a sack, no way is Moore in Jimmy's league.

I also don't buy the whole no INT's in the red zone as improvement. If Moore was still throwing the type of shitty passes in the red zone against TB he would need to be taken out and shot becuase he would be mentally defective.

The things that Moore was doing in the NYG game that made him ineffective were the same things he did in the TB game.

Who cares if Matt is willing to throw it to SS all day long no matter the coverage. Didn't we just spend the last 7 years complaining that was the exact same problem our last QB had? Know you are suddenly willing to go back to that? I don't care how pissed Smitty is that he isn't targeted enough, if Jimmy is throwing it to an open WR, which he was, then I am happy.

How about the fact that Matt was at least able to score a TOUCHDOWN? Jimmy has none. Does that not count either? Wasn't the whole point of Jimmy coming in to provide a spark for our offense? It's our worst passing performance yet: 0 TD 1 interception.

That's the future?

[Brooklyn Bully]

Moore got two games, Jimmy gets two games. Simple as that.

[Millions]

See no reason he doesn't get the rest of the season no reason to kill his confidence by pulling him out.

[thunderraiden]

How about the fact that Matt was at least able to score a TOUCHDOWN? Jimmy has none. Does that not count either? Wasn't the whole point of Jimmy coming in to provide a spark for our offense? It's our worst passing performance yet: 0 TD 1 interception.

That's the future?

yea... umm... sorry, i would back you on the whole "no touchdowns" thing if WR's hadn't dropped every wide open endzone throw Jimmy had thrown them today AND in the preseason.

[PantherFanForLife]

yea... umm... sorry, i would back you on the whole "no touchdowns" thing if WR's hadn't dropped every wide open endzone throw Jimmy had thrown them today AND in the preseason.

LMFAO. Which one of those was catchable?