An unbiased look at Clausen

[CLTPanther]

MM does have "it", it just begins with "sh".

[WilkinsonDonnie]

I like what Clausen is doing, I try not to over analyze rookie quarterbacks, especially ones that dont throw many picks. The article did surprise me when it talked about Greg Hardy not playing well. Do you think offenses are adjusting to him?

[monstercat]

Clausen has had some time in the pocket, but the problem is that the Panthers WR's are running a lot of routes that take 5-6 seconds to develop.

I told y'all before that Saints game to watch how many times Brees threw the ball less than 10yds. Without looking it up, I'm guessing that at least 90% of his passes in the game traveled less than 10yds past the LOS and the ball was usually out of his hands in about 3 seconds. Therefore, it was almost impossible for our D-line to get sacks.

For the life of me, I don't understand why we're not running more of those types of plays with Clausen, instead of having him stand there for 6 seconds waiting for his WR's to finish their routes. It's insanity.

[Guild]

For the life of me, I don't understand why we're not running more of those types of plays with Clausen, instead of having him stand there for 6 seconds waiting for his WR's to finish their routes. It's insanity.

This is why:

Hell screen passes work against blitzes? Well we won't use it anymore.

This is what happens when an offensive line coach for the Browns becomes your OC.

[CRA]

This is your problem.

No one is really all that concerned with the Panthers winning games except for the players and fans.

Hurney and JR have Clausen on the field to see if he has "it". If he does, great we build around him, and if not, we keep trying at QB. They have already decided that MM does not have "it".

It is very obvious that JR and for that matter Hurney are not worried about winning this year, just planning for the future.

AH, but that is not my problem. I am not expecting that of Jimmy. I like what I am seeing. It is a process. I am not concerned about winning in 2010.

my problem, is people are claiming he is doing things he isn't. That he is further along than he is. I am just stating a few select posters are going overboard in their evaluations of him.

[thefuzz]

AH, but that is not my problem. I am not expecting that of Jimmy. I like what I am seeing. It is a process. I am not concerned about winning.

my problem, is people are claiming he is doing things he isn't. That he is further along than he is.

Gotcha. However you do seem to come off as a Jimmy basher/MM nut hugger.

He is a rookie, playing for a bad team, after not getting reps in Camp or preseason with the 1's. He should look bad, and at the same time show gradual improvement on mistakes, which he is doing.

I firmly believe that he will be a good QB in this league.

[CRA]

Gotcha. However you do seem to come off as a Jimmy basher/MM nut hugger.

He is a rookie, playing for a bad team, after not getting reps in Camp or preseason with the 1's. He should look bad, and at the same time show gradual improvement on mistakes, which he is doing.

I firmly believe that he will be a good QB in this league.

I fully support Jimmy playing out this season. It makes sense.

I can do that, and still think Fox pulled Moore too early in a game still winnable in week 2. Fox made the move. He can't go back. I can also fully support Jimmy and say that as of two NFL starts....he hasn't yet shown to be a better overall NFL QB than Moore.

[Jpjr]

Not really. Stud QBs and WRs don't just bring the wild fluke play to the table. Like I said, the every down plays you need from them is more impressive. That is why when that is all someone has shown it doesn't hold a ton of water. LaFell showing better positioning on his routes and using his body would be more impressive than that one catch hemade.

I don't really care about college accomplishments once guys make it to this level.

Circular reference. Stud QBs and WRs create the fluke plays. They are not just game managers. Again nothing I have seen from Bradford this season leads me to believe he will be an exceptional quarterback. He has Eli and not Peyton written all over him.

[CRA]

Circular reference. Stud QBs and WRs create the fluke plays. They are not just game managers. Again nothing I have seen from Bradford this season leads me to believe he will be an exceptional quarterback. He has Eli and not Peyton written all over him.

no. Stud WRs do create fluke plays. They also give you the every down consistancy to go with it.

everydown consistancy is more impressive than a guy who only gives you a fluke play. LaFell hasn't impressed b/c he has looked poorly on some basic balls thrown to him.....the fluke catch therefore doesn't mean much.

[panthers55]

It's not unusual for a rookie to have trouble adjusting to the pro play clock.

And as mentioned elsewhere, I'd rather have him taking sacks than "panic throwing", something a lot of young guys do while trying to adjust to the speed of the NFL pass rush.

He's progressing. I don't expect him to look elite by year's end, mind you. Improvement is all I care about.

Truth is that while panic throwing isn't helpfull neither is checking down and never throwing downfield but 2 or 3 times a game or on a broken play.

Even with the long TD to Stewart, he had the lowest yards per attempt of all thirty quarterbacks listed. Plus his panicked throws are there, he just throws them out of bounds or into the ground. Sometimes an interception is acceptable if the quarterback is trying to go down the field and the ball gets tipped or the defender makes a good play. Otherwise we end up like we did against NO- 10 first downs the whole game, 7 passing. That won't ever win a game.

[panthers55]

Gotcha. However you do seem to come off as a Jimmy basher/MM nut hugger.

He is a rookie, playing for a bad team, after not getting reps in Camp or preseason with the 1's. He should look bad, and at the same time show gradual improvement on mistakes, which he is doing.

I firmly believe that he will be a good QB in this league.

He did get reps with the 1s. A lot of them. Our current ones , LaFell and Gettis were our 2s and 3s in camp and preseason where he played much of the time.

Why do people keep saying he didn't get time with them, he got the majority of the time with them.

[Guild]

Truth is that while panic throwing isn't helpfull neither is checking down and never throwing downfield but 2 or 3 times a game or on a broken play.

Even with the long TD to Stewart, he had the lowest yards per attempt of all thirty quarterbacks listed. Plus his panicked throws are there, he just throws them out of bounds or into the ground. Sometimes an interception is acceptable if the quarterback is trying to go down the field and the ball gets tipped or the defender makes a good play. Otherwise we end up like we did against NO- 10 first downs the whole game, 7 passing. That won't ever win a game.

Hell I'd love some checkdowns to even be incorporated at this point. When the blitz comes it seems like either our line picks it up or the play is completely ruined as there is never a "hot read" option used whether it is actually available in the playcall or not.

[CRA]

Clausen has had some time in the pocket, but the problem is that the Panthers WR's are running a lot of routes that take 5-6 seconds to develop.

I told y'all before that Saints game to watch how many times Brees threw the ball less than 10yds. Without looking it up, I'm guessing that at least 90% of his passes in the game traveled less than 10yds past the LOS and the ball was usually out of his hands in about 3 seconds. Therefore, it was almost impossible for our D-line to get sacks.

For the life of me, I don't understand why we're not running more of those types of plays with Clausen, instead of having him stand there for 6 seconds waiting for his WR's to finish their routes. It's insanity.

same can be said for Brady, Manning, Rodgers etc. None of those guy play in a run/playaction offense. You you don't go playaction to a bunch of 4 yard routes.

[panthers55]

Hell I'd love some checkdowns to even be incorporated at this point. When the blitz comes it seems like either our line picks it up or the play is completely ruined as there is never a "hot read" option used whether it is actually available in the playcall or not.

The problem is that checkdowns are not primary receivers and most times you don't get very far on YAC. The difference between us and NO for example is that they run a lot of misdirection to spring their receivers and backs for yards while we are usually dumping off the ball to avoid a sack or pressure. Short passes like screens, designed passes to guys like Goodson, etc would be great and absolutely should be incorporated into our playcalling.

As for hot reads, that is the responsibility of the quarterback. Most plays can be changed to a hot read if the blitz is coming. At this point Jimmy is likely not far enough along to feel comfortable changing things or picking up defenses. Another issue with rookies.