So who will start vs 49ers? Is Jimmy safe?

[mmmbeans]

I agree. Mark Rypien is a much better QB than Marino. I mean he did win a Superbowl afterall.

Don't forget Trent Dilfer!

[Davidson Deac II]

Why does everyone think the defense sucked against TB?

Statistically it was one of the better outings they've had this year.

I didn't say that the defense sucked against Tampa. In fact, I would say that the defense has been consistenly good since it left New York.

[Davidson Deac II]

Don't forget Trent Dilfer!

And Joe Theisman, and Doug Williams.

Fwiw, Joe Gibbs was a pretty good coach. Even in his last stint with Washington, he managed to get into the playoffs with some of the worst QB's in the league.

[mav1234]

I didn't say that the defense sucked against Tampa. In fact, I would say that the defense has been consistenly good since it left New York.

alright, just making sure.

The defense has played well, just neither QB has gotten it done in the games they've been in. Clausen has had more chances with a good D though, true.

[TheRealDeal]

What game have we not been in through the fourth quarter, no matter who was QB? We've been in all of 'em, and hell, the closest we can to that first W was with Clausen.

Also, I was referring to Jimmy's int in "garbage time" against TB. If we go with the Peppers one too, then Jimmy is 1-1, which is a better rate I'm pretty sure Peppers bats down any ball thrown at him. The man is a monster.

The offense itself is barely averaging more points between the two starters so I think the more points argument, even if Moore is throwing more TDs, is largely moot. Overall, our offense sucks no matter who is behind center, and if it gets better, it won't be solely due to any QB change.

About starting Moore to give him a chance:

he has a good chance of landing on someone's team next year and having a poo at practicing his way into a backup position elsewhere even if he is cut here - that is assuming he doesn't royally screw up any games he's put in here. He will do more damage to his career by starting and playing poorly more than he would not playing. On the other hand, if he starts and shows something, I agree it'd help him.

In a perfect world, we'd never have had this conversation because Moore would have been at least serviceable through his first two starts. =\

If he does get put back in, I really hope he has a good game. I just don't believe he will start.

In a perfect world, our coach wouldn't have pulled him 1.75 games into the season and would be smart enough to know it takes a liiiiiiiiiiitle longer than that to asses a QB.

I was not discounting Moore's last two picks because they were in garbage time but because the circumstances around them. One was not his fault clearly, which is arguable with the Peppers-Clausen one, and the other one is a play the QB has to try and make and if he throws it away he looks even worse so you can't blame him there, or at least any coach/knowledgeable fan wouldn't. I get myself into trouble assuming everyone on here is knowledgeable.

The offense with Moore is averaging about a TD more per game than with Jimmy. I wasn't saying that Moore is averaging a TD more per game but the offense as a whole. As a poster above has mentioned, Jimmy has also been the benefactor of better defensive play and more turnovers, yet has done less. How many times can an opposing QB throw 4 interceptions and we only put up 6 points . Although Jimmy has only lost 2 fumbles, he has 7 of them, and those wasted plays/lost yards are drive killers. Also, only one or two (can't remember exactly on the Tampa one but I think it was) of Moore's interceptions has been on our side of the 50 so although bad, he is not setting up the opponent with great field position and putting our defense in a terrible spot.

[TheRealDeal]

alright, just making sure.

The defense has played well, just neither QB has gotten it done in the games they've been in. Clausen has had more chances with a good D though, true.

I don't think they were forcing the turnovers like they are now and IIRC our defense couldn't get off the field on third downs which killed any possible chance at momentum/good field position.

[mav1234]

I don't think they were forcing the turnovers like they are now and IIRC our defense couldn't get off the field on third downs which killed any possible chance at momentum/good field position.

They weren't forcing turnovers but they were forcing punts.

edit: moore also lost fumbles... he's had far less of course. Not making excuses, but still. Both QBs are accounting for turnovers, both QBs are killing drives through one thing or another.

I guess we'll see next week. Speculation getting boring.

Don't really have a huge investment in either QB starting. I just think the team will start Clausen, and I think it's the right move. If they don't, oh well - I hope Moore makes the most of it.

[TheRealDeal]

They weren't forcing turnovers but they were forcing punts.

Haha I think we agree on that but there were some times when we could have had big stops on 3rd down and we didn't. That big play to Kellen Winslow rings a bell and a few others. Small stuff I know but that changes field position and momentum.

[mav1234]

Haha I think we agree on that but there were some times when we could have had big stops on 3rd down and we didn't. That big play to Kellen Winslow rings a bell and a few others. Small stuff I know but that changes field position and momentum.

True enough, but the same can be said about nearly any game we played this season. We have had trouble getting people off the field on third down.

[PantherFanForLife]

I should have known this thread was not going to work.

To try to get it back on track I think the more time passes that Clausen does not get re-confirmed as the starter the more likely the chances he won't be.

Fox said on Monday it was too early to name a starter. What does that mean?

You have to ask yourself if the original intention was to give Clausen playing time in order to prepare him for the future or if it really was to see if he was ready to start and hopefully perform better than Matt this season.

If it was the latter, I can't see a reason to stick with him much longer. He simply makes too many mistakes to justify him as a starter right now. The only reason I see them sticking with Clausen forward is if they are TRULY convinced he is the future and he's going to turn out great by the beginning of next season.

[CRA]

I should have known this thread was not going to work.

To try to get it back on track I think the more time passes that Clausen does not get re-confirmed as the starter the more likely the chances he won't be.

Fox said on Monday it was too early to name a starter. What does that mean?

You have to ask yourself if the original intention was to give Clausen playing time in order to prepare him for the future or if it really was to see if he was ready to start and hopefully perform better than Matt this season.

If it was the latter, I can't see a reason to stick with him much longer. He simply makes too many mistakes to justify him as a starter right now. The only reason I see them sticking with Clausen forward is if they are TRULY convinced he is the future and he's going to turn out great by the beginning of next season.

but w/ Fox gone and not knowing who the headcoach is and what he wants to do.....there is no way this season to determine who the future is. New HCs rarely stick w/ the old coaches QBs.

[Cat'sGrowl]

but w/ Fox gone and not knowing who the headcoach is and what he wants to do.....there is no way this season to determine who the future is. New HCs rarely stick w/ the old coaches QBs.

Please tell me your aware of how ridiculous that argument is.

[PantherFanForLife]

but w/ Fox gone and not knowing who the headcoach is and what he wants to do.....there is no way this season to determine who the future is. New HCs rarely stick w/ the old coaches QBs.

Can't really name a rookie Fox's QB though just cause he is with the team this year. Delhomme was Fox's QB. Any new coach knows a draft is a lottery, and he's not going to count out any of these guys just because he didn't pick them if they show promise. They are all pretty green and can all easily adapt to a new coach and style.

[CRA]

Please tell me your aware of how ridiculous that argument is.

ok, of the top of my head....here are the recent new head coaches.

2010

Shanahan - got his own QB

2009

Schwartz - got his own QB

Spag - got his own QB the following year

Ryan - got his own QB

McDanials - got his own QB

Haley - got his own QB

Mangini - kept QBs for 1 season and got rid of them all, got his own QB

2008

Smith - got his own QB

Harbaugh - got his own QB

coaches that kept the existing QBs on the roster.....

2010

Gailey - already got rid of 1 - if he stays another year he will bring in his own QB.

and Indy but they were a turn key type switch at HC.

okay, now it is your turn. You tell me the new head coaches that have come in from the outside of the organziation and stayed w/ the same QB who was suppose to the future? Let's try to keep it recent b/c that is what matters in today's game.

new coaches, do new things. Unless you are doing an Indy thing and a turn key type move w/ literally everything staying the same.....Odds favor us seeing new QBs in the near future.

edit, forgot Singletary - that is one in your favor. He kept the same QB.