was the armanti edwards trade the worst in franchise history?

[Fiz]

btw those two picks eventually became Ricky Williams and Shaun Ellis.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Because we at least got a mediocre defensive lineman out of it for a few years. Think of him as Brentson Buckner for a more recent example or a slightly inferior Charles Johnson. That's still better than someone that will end up giving us the same productivity as Adam Meadows.

[Sam Mills Fan]

By the way, I never once said that the Armanti trade was worse. I just didn't think the difference between the two was worthy of everyone saying "NO YOU NOOB LOL IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE SEAN GILBERT TRADE LOLOLOLOL"

[Fiz]

Because we at least got a mediocre defensive lineman out of it for a few years. Think of him as Brentson Buckner for a more recent example or a slightly inferior Charles Johnson. That's still better than someone that will end up giving us the same productivity as Adam Meadows.

the production provided by him could have been provided by literally any free agent off the street.

If armanti stays on the team for four years he'll inadvertently back his way into just as many meaningless numbers as Gilbert did.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Because we at least got a mediocre defensive lineman out of it for a few years. Think of him as Brentson Buckner for a more recent example or a slightly inferior Charles Johnson. That's still better than someone that will end up giving us the same productivity as Adam Meadows.

It's not like we won the superbowl any of those years and he was the overpriced luxury that turned out to be worth it (ala Reggie Bush). The best we did was what? 8-8? And we missed out on a guy like Torry Holt who would be the best player in franchise history to this point. Also if we get a few years of Edwards as a returner and third/fourth option, it's a sweep in every category.

[Lumps]

I poo talk a lot about AE and it isn't deserved. I know he has not had his chance and I also know that the bad coaching/staff situation he is in will only delay his conversion from a QB to WR even more. That is ok though because I truly believe a guy like Fox could not possibly utilize him to his fullest anyway.

So in all fairness nothing is set in stone. However, until he shows he is worth a second and a third he won't get respect. All this means are his shoes just got bigger to fill. Marty knew there was a big risk this year. No one sees our expected spending numbers and doesn't.

[Sam Mills Fan]

If Gilbert was on the team today and gave us the same production as he did in 1998, that would easily put him behind only Charles Johnson (our supposed Pro Bowl-caliber d-lineman according to the Huddle) in terms of productivity. That's better productivity than our defensive captain Tyler Brayton has EVER given us.

[Jangler]

Seeing who will be sitting at 33, will be a good determination.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

It's not just the picks, they gave Gilbert a huge (especially at the time) $46.5 million contract. You could have just signed a FA for that kind of money (actually much less), gotten the same production and not had to throw away two high 1st round picks.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Seeing who will be sitting at 33, will be a good determination.

Kyle Rudolph, Ryan Broyles, Mike Pouncey all have a good shot at being available there and look infinitely better as prospects than AE does at this point.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

If Gilbert was on the team today and gave us the same production as he did in 1998, that would easily put him behind only Charles Johnson (our supposed Pro Bowl-caliber d-lineman according to the Huddle) in terms of productivity. That's better productivity than our defensive captain Tyler Brayton has EVER given us.

Right, one year he was better than Tyler Brayton and, we gave up two first round picks and many millions of dollars for that. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Davidson Deac II]

Because we at least got a mediocre defensive lineman out of it for a few years. Think of him as Brentson Buckner for a more recent example or a slightly inferior Charles Johnson. That's still better than someone that will end up giving us the same productivity as Adam Meadows.

Don't agree that its better. I doubt many others would. First round picks top 10 picks are much more valuable than a second rounder. If it was only one first round pick, you might have a point. But two is incredulous. There isn't a non QB player playing right now that would be worth two first rounders. Well maybe one or two, but thats about it.

[Black]

FRANCHISE history?!

[JawnyBlaze]

That's the second time you went out of your way to take a stab at CJ...he probably is Pro Bowl worthy, he did better this year than Peppers and Peppers is in the Pro Bowl...CJ has 3.5 more sacks and 11 more tackles (the 2 most important stats for DEs IMO), Peppers has 2 more FF and that interception he got against us. Looks to me like CJ IS Pro Bowl-caliber.

If Gilbert was on the team today and gave us the same production as he did in 1998, that would easily put him behind only Charles Johnson (our supposed Pro Bowl-caliber d-lineman according to the Huddle) in terms of productivity. That's better productivity than our defensive captain Tyler Brayton has EVER given us.