My Evaluation of Gabbert

[mj4life]

i could see gabbert going to san fran or washington by the time it's all said and done. if we were to take him it would send somebody packing IMO(pike)

[TheRealDeal]

So pissed this didn't get merged...damn you Squirrel!

[CatMan72]

see my sig for my feelings on this...

[Urrymonster]

he went downfield like 6 times against Illinois... that was as many times as Clausen went down field all season... how is that Clausen like...? He runs an offense that (At least at that point of the season) was moving the ball almost entirely with his arm. They bring coverage down closer to the line of scrimmage, then take shots deep. How many times against Illinois did he sit there looking at 8 in the box?? Never - it limits his options going deep and he still got there more than our quarterback did all season, blech. He's not afraid to throw it deep.

You are right about not stepping up into the pocket when he gets pressure from the sides. He needs to be better at this. When he gets pressure up front he usually breaks the pocket and rolls out. It leads to sacks, but he can also extend plays this way as you noted.

He's not worth the #1 anyway so he's only a chance if we somehow trade down.

Also, what is it that you define Clausen with?

For me, it's his terrible throwing motion, release point, and inability to get the ball deep. I don't really care that he checked it down a lot, but I do that he didn't ALSO go deep, especially in this offense that is geared so heavily around that.

edit: should say, Gabbert would probably be mid first round other years. This year he's high because of the class. He's still a first round talent but he's going to take some time to bring along.

Someone has a clouded view of the facts!

Clausen threw 10% of his passes beyond 20 yards, with a total of 28% of his passes being aimed beyond the 1st down marker.

His throwing motion isn't as bad as people make out, it's just a little low. Funny that no one pointed this out duting the draft process, yet now it's a big deal

However you missed everything that Cracka said when comparing the two QBs. It was the pocket presence and 'happy feet' that is so similar. Gabbert plays permanently in the shotgun so always had more time than Clausen did, yet still got panicked when people got near him.

Gabbert is a big armed QB, that is all. He is nothing special and will require a fair amount of work to be ready for the NFL.

[TheRealDeal]

Someone has a clouded view of the facts!

Clausen threw 10% of his passes beyond 20 yards, with a total of 28% of his passes being aimed beyond the 1st down marker.

His throwing motion isn't as bad as people make out, it's just a little low. Funny that no one pointed this out duting the draft process, yet now it's a big deal

However you missed everything that Cracka said when comparing the two QBs. It was the pocket presence and 'happy feet' that is so similar. Gabbert plays permanently in the shotgun so always had more time than Clausen did, yet still got panicked when people got near him.

Gabbert is a big armed QB, that is all. He is nothing special and will require a fair amount of work to be ready for the NFL.

Bradshaw and I pointed it out...there is a whole thread where Bradshaw is getting ripped because of it.

[Ricky Spanish]

a lot of people didn't like his throwing motion, or else he would have gone higher in the draft.

[mav1234]

Someone has a clouded view of the facts!

Clausen threw 10% of his passes beyond 20 yards, with a total of 28% of his passes being aimed beyond the 1st down marker.

His throwing motion isn't as bad as people make out, it's just a little low. Funny that no one pointed this out duting the draft process, yet now it's a big deal

However you missed everything that Cracka said when comparing the two QBs. It was the pocket presence and 'happy feet' that is so similar. Gabbert plays permanently in the shotgun so always had more time than Clausen did, yet still got panicked when people got near him.

Gabbert is a big armed QB, that is all. He is nothing special and will require a fair amount of work to be ready for the NFL.

Clausen threw a total of 299 passes. If 10% were aimed 20 yards or more, that's 16.6 passes at that length across 8 games that he played in, or 2.9 and some change per game (yipee?). This is in an offense designed around going deep... so I'm a bit worried on that end. Gabbert's system right now is so different, comparing the numbers is silly. I was ragging on Clausen because he seemed unable to get the ball deep, sorry if it ruffled your feathers.

Clausen's throwing motion and release are low and slow, making it easy for D-Linemen to get in the way. At Notre Dame he had balls batted down but I swear his mechanics looked smoother. I must have been crazy.

I do not often rag on Clausen for his footwork because he was getting a ton of pressure. If that was his only issue I'd be pretty happy with him, because that CAN be coached, and trust in his O-Line will help with that.

Gabbert may not be all that special(and as I have said multiple times he isn't going to go #1), but he is a big, big-armed QB, with a good throwing motion. His footwork needs work when he gets pressure from the edges, but he is not bad at moving laterally to extend plays from pressure up the middle. He is also a leader on the field and off, which is nice.

Clausen had HUGE questions about his intangibles. Even if you say his throwing motion "isn't a big deal," he did have other questions about him coming out and some of them are proving true. Some scouts and analysts did point out Clausen's throwing motion being low and causing trouble and I'm sorry that you and I didn't listen to it, but it was said. ESPN's Scout Inc article actually points out you can expect a number of balls batted down from him in the pros.

Gabbert is not much of an option for the Panthers but with the right coach he could be brought along quite well I think.

[Urrymonster]

Clausen threw a total of 166 passes. If 10% were aimed 20 yards or more, that's 16.6 passes at that length across 8 games that he played in, or 2 and some change per game (yipee?). This is in an offense designed around going deep... so I'm a bit worried on that end. Gabbert's system right now is so different, comparing the numbers is silly. I was ragging on Clausen because he seemed unable to get the ball deep, sorry if it ruffled your feathers.

Clausen's throwing motion and release are low and slow, making it easy for D-Linemen to get in the way. At Notre Dame he had balls batted down but I swear his mechanics looked smoother. I must have been crazy.

I do not often rag on Clausen for his footwork because he was getting a ton of pressure. If that was his only issue I'd be pretty happy with him, because that CAN be coached, and trust in his O-Line will help with that.

Gabbert may not be all that special(and as I have said multiple times he isn't going to go #1), but he is a big, big-armed QB, with a good throwing motion. His footwork needs work when he gets pressure from the edges, but he is not bad at moving laterally to extend plays from pressure up the middle. He is also a leader on the field and off, which is nice.

Clausen had HUGE questions about his intangibles. Even if you say his throwing motion "isn't a big deal," he did have other questions about him coming out and some of them are proving true. Some scouts and analysts did point out Clausen's throwing motion being low and causing trouble and I'm sorry that you and I didn't listen to it, but it was said. ESPN's Scout Inc article actually points out you can expect a number of balls batted down from him in the pros.

Gabbert is not much of an option for the Panthers but with the right coach he could be brought along quite well I think.

Where the hell are you getting your stats from?! Jimmy threw the ball 299 times according to NFL.com

[TheRealDeal]

Maybe he was just using starts?

[Urrymonster]

Maybe he was just using starts?

To be honest it doesn't change the overall message much, but he even had the starts wrong.

Long story short it looks like Clausen threw over 20 yards on average 3 times a game and over 10 yards 8 times a game. He averaged approximately 29 passes per game. Obviously this is scewed by the 3 appearances which weren't starts.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I don't think he'd be a terrible pick up..

He's just not number one overall worthy...and this is in comparison to Bradford, not Luck..

[mav1234]

To be honest it doesn't change the overall message much, but he even had the starts wrong.

Long story short it looks like Clausen threw over 20 yards on average 3 times a game and over 10 yards 8 times a game. He averaged approximately 29 passes per game. Obviously this is scewed by the 3 appearances which weren't starts.

Yeah, I grabbed some numbers off a site that hadn't updated them in... apparently a long time. My fault. I was thinking it was his games started and finished but he had 9 not 8.

29 passes a game seems really high though. How is that possible? He broke 29 like 3 times all year.

Either way, 3 attempts per game over 20 yards is ... not so good

Just to clarify is this attempts or completions?

[mav1234]

also lol @ us arguing if 1 more 20 yard pass or not is evidence of him going deep often.

[MHS831]

Gabbert is 7 yards deep in the shotgun and he backs up before throwing quick slants or outs. He should not back up any more at that depth. He is as deep as a QB should be when he gets the ball from center.