Cam Newton wants to be Big Ben

[Mr. Scot]

And then we have Mr. Scot's Luck-shock turned to Cam-rejection... to the point he suggested we will throw this season up as being sub-playoff with a wash-out vet like <snicker> Billy Volek :crazy:

Find me an NFL scout that thinks Newton is ready to step in from day one.

We're not getting a franchise guy this year, not from the draft or free agency.

This year's best hope is a stopgap, then try to get a franchise QB next season.

[Zcustom]

Mr.Scot is one of the most biased and ignorant posters on this board. He argues against every african american QB out there (every single one for the 7 years Ive been on this board), but will lower his standards so low for pocket passers and always defend their failures if he can "relate" to the guy. A lot of folks in our fanbase do that, and its one of the main reasons we regularly suffer through bad QBing.

THIS is the most ignorant statement I've ever read on this board. And I've read a lot of your ignorant posts dude.

Stick to the valid arguments, it will work much better for you.

[TheRealDeal]

Funny so many people are calling Cam a project like "pro-ready" Jimmy wasn't the worse QB in the league. But people are still ready to give him another chance to suck. I see alot of stuff about Cam not being smart enough and can't read defenses. Jimmy clearly couldn't do that either.

No one is comparing the two. This is exactly the irrational mindset that makes the Cam lovers look foolish.

We were fooled with Jimmy but everyone knows what they are getting with Cam.

He came from a one read offense where he was told to run if it wasn't there, therefor he hasn't had time to develop the ability to read many different coverage schemes. Also, he faced mostly man coverage due to the box being stacked to stop his 22 rushing attempts per game.

His feet are very very lazy. Think Hunter Cantwell then think a paralyzed Hunter Cantwell. That's how slow and lazy his feet are in the pocket when taking "drops." Even when they run the zone read he rarely if ever carries out the fake after he hands it off.

He also threw a ton of passes behind the line of scrimmage which blinded some people when it comes to accuracy because his down field accuracy is very suspect.

When he runs he is a very slow starter so if you get to him before he gets going he can be stopped (2.2 ypc against Oregon).

Yeah we thought Jimmy would compete and play well (I didn't but others did, including some scouts) but they were wrong. No one thinks Cam will come in and compete or play well because of the amount of holes in his game.

[blackcatgrowl]

Find me an NFL scout that thinks Newton is ready to step in from day one.

We're not getting a franchise guy this year, not from the draft or free agency.

This year's best hope is a stopgap, then try to get a franchise QB next season.

Find me an NFL scout who thought Tom Brady was a three time Super Bowl champ, and we can keep their opinions as the be-all end-all of talent evaluation.

Your stop-gap measure is non-sense to me. Why throw away the position on a veteran, when we can bring in new talent to develop, that has shown promise, and see what he's about.

[King Taharqa]

THIS is the most ignorant statement I've ever read on this board. And I've read a lot of your ignorant posts dude.

Stick to the valid arguments, it will work much better for you.

Truth hurts, Scot makes ignorant and biased statements against black QBs all the time. No one passionately defends against them like Scot. The fact he's a "respected" poster on this board is sad. If I was out to paint every white QB out there as troubled, unintelligent, and not worthy of working for my favorite football team people would see my ignorance and bias too. Dude needs to stay out of these threads, but he will always appear in them spewing his ignorant misinformed views and lies on these guys.

[TheRealDeal]

It's not wrong to have an opinion. But opinion isn't fact.

And if you want to have an objective opinion, go break down the SEC game. For that fact, if you REALLY want to do an analysis of him, go breakdown his play in ALL of Auburn's undefeated season. Only then will you get a 100% accurate analysis of the kid's ability.

You won't, because you've got one average to above average performance to prove your biased point, for whatever reason you are biased against him for.

I agree but you've yet to share your opinion on his plays except that he's the bestest player evar!!!!!

You've probably only seen his highlights and therefor love him. You might be like KT and be an AA and only want an AA QB to succeed which is fine because you are proud of your race but don't make it like he doesn't have holes in his game. Before KT even knew who Cam was, he wanted Pryor to be our QB next year.

Can you show me anyone (besides some posters on a MB) who thinks Cam Newton can come into a franchise next year and be an unquestioned starter from day 1?

[Panthro]

I'd be more interested in Cam at #1 if there is a rookie cap that comes out of the CBA. If there isn't one I'd rather take Fairley.

[Zcustom]

Truth hurts, Scot makes ignorant and biased statements against black QBs all the time. No one passionately defends against them like Scot. The fact he's a "respected" poster on this board is sad. If I was out to paint every white QB out there as troubled, unintelligent, and not worthy of working for my favorite football team people would see my ignorance and bias too. Dude needs to stay out of these threads, but he will always appear in them spewing his ignorant misinformed views and lies on these guys.

You have no problem painting the entire fanbase of millions as racists and bigots. but whatever I've been done arguing with you.

As for Cam I actually think you have a point somewhere in all the rhetoric. How about you quote my first post in this thread and lets talk about that?

[CarolinaKat]

Yeah we thought Jimmy would compete and play well (I didn't but others did, including some scouts) but they were wrong. QUOTE]

No!!!!!.....The scouts can't be wrong. I mean you keep quoting the scouts and other "knowledgable" people say Cam isn't that good. As I remember Jimmy was suppose to be the 2nd best QB in that draft.....So say the scouts. The scouts said he was pro ready.....

[Mr. Scot]

Truth hurts, Scot makes ignorant and biased statements against black QBs all the time. No one passionately defends against them like Scot. The fact he's a "respected" poster on this board is sad. If I was out to paint every white QB out there as troubled, unintelligent, and not worthy of working for my favorite football team people would see my ignorance and bias too. Dude needs to stay out of these threads, but he will always appear in them spewing his ignorant misinformed views and lies on these guys.

I've yet to see anything you posted have much in common with the truth, but resorting to the false characterizations and personal attacks again tells me a lot :nonod:

[King Taharqa]

The scouts said the Panthers got a "steal" with Dwayne Jarrett and that he'd be giving NFC South defenses fits for years!

[Zcustom]

Whatever happened to the undying respect for "intangibles" in a QB.

That's all Jake had, he sure didn't have much athleticism. Cam has the "intangibles" AND athleticism.

I feel like the #1 pick this year is going to be a reach regardless, so why not take the guy with the most potential? because we already have some prospects? That's like passing up a dime piece for a couple of skanks because you're not sure if the dime piece swallows.

Here ya go KT, saved you the keystrokes.

We really seriously need to discuss "intangibles"

why this subject hasn't been covered in relation to Cam before now baffles me

[TheRealDeal]

No!!!!!.....The scouts can't be wrong. I mean you keep quoting the scouts and other "knowledgable" people say Cam isn't that good. As I remember Jimmy was suppose to be the 2nd best QB in that draft.....So say the scouts. The scouts said he was pro ready.....

Most people had him accurately pegged with some major issues to his game but a few, mainly one person, were off base big time.

No one has Cam pegged as #1 and there are very legit reasons as I listed in my post. Continue ignoring the real issues with Cam and focus on black v white and analysts.

[panthers55]

Find me an NFL scout that thinks Newton is ready to step in from day one.

We're not getting a franchise guy this year, not from the draft or free agency.

This year's best hope is a stopgap, then try to get a franchise QB next season.

There is no question Newton would not be ready to come in and start day 1. On the other hand Clausen isn't ready either. So I would be in favor of a veteran to come in and start day 1. I wouldn't be unhappy with Volek but are not sold on him yet.

But with that said, it doesn't mean that there isn't a franchise QB in this draft, in fact I think there are several and Newton is one of them. But I seriously doubt we would pick him number 1 and take the time necessary to develop him. On the other hand there are not that many guys who could change our franchise around for a decade. Newton with the right training could be one of those guys. I will be interested to see his combine and hear what his personal coach has to say about him.