Cam Newton Public Workout

[teeray]

not really true. he is pretty advanced in all aspects compared to everyone else and knows most of those things thanks to his dad's influence as well as having harbaugh coaching him and that offense he played in. also, there is quite often QBs who come out who are pretty prepared for the pro game, having come from more of a pro offense and/or having the ability to read defenses and do multiple reads.

this year is just horrible with the choices. worst QB class in many years. sad thing for a lot of teams is that there are so many teams needing a QB and a few of them might be dumb enough to reach for them. i just hope we aren't in that number.

still, luck is as close to a guarantee as you will ever find as far as becoming a successful QB. next year also has another good candidate in matt barkley from USC. he's my other choice if we can't get luck and don't have the QB situation squared away.

Barkley to me is Clausen 2.0. Also Clausen had a very good NFL offensive mind coaching him in college also so it means diddly. I agree that Luck is going to be a good QB but even he has his own question marks.

[TheRealDeal]

It's frustrating that I agree with you sometimes TRD. I hate we can't see eye to eye on Cam.

We really are only few positions, on offense, from having a play off contending team. And MAYBE one or two on D. Maybe...

QB is one of them. In fact, it's the biggest of them.

To be fair I'm usually right and those times that you are right we happen to agree

I'm not sure QB is the biggest need but it is a big one. Also, I'm not sure Cam fills an immediate need, as he is considered a project. Oh well, to each his own.

[teeray]

i shouldn't say it means diddly because it does put you ahead of the game. But it doesn't guarantee that it will carry over to the NFL

[rayzor]

i think alot of peoples attitudes towards qbs is based off the idea that we would be contenders next year with a good qb. folks, we are going to suck for a couple of years. we are basically rebuilding, have a completely new staff in place. why do we have to have someone who can start now? why wouldnt we take someone with great potential and polish him up some? it not like we are going to the playoffs anytime soon. either gabbert or newton,locker, mallet, take your pick. if we feel they can be that guy why wouldnt you take them? a dt is not going to get us back where we want to be. qbs change the whole outlook of franchises for good or bad. that is what we need. do it now while our team is in flux already so they can work together to establish something.

the team isn't in all that bad a shape. getting the wrong QB could get us there, though. at #1, all QBs are going to be reaches in a big way.

my opinion of the QBs in this class have nothing to do with the state of the franchise or with my wanting to have them start right away, although the expectation for any QB taken in the first round is that they are ready to start right away, whether they have to or not. all of the guys talked about are projects at best. newton is the only one i think is worth it (being a first round pick) because of his potential, but still he won't be ready to go out of the gate and in most years that would hurt his value as it would the rest of the QBs in this draft.

the market is going to be the driving force behind these QBs and i'm not at all thrilled with that because it inflates their value.

[TheRealDeal]

Barkley to me is Clausen 2.0. Also Clausen had a very good NFL offensive mind coaching him in college also so it means diddly. I agree that Luck is going to be a good QB but even he has his own question marks.

First Russell as the once in a decade talent then Clausen the same as Barkley?

:troll:

[rayzor]

Barkley to me is Clausen 2.0. Also Clausen had a very good NFL offensive mind coaching him in college also so it means diddly. I agree that Luck is going to be a good QB but even he has his own question marks.

o rly? what are they?

[teeray]

More of a guarantee then Cam. He has ran a pro style offense. Cam has 2 learn too do that.

Plain and simple does Cam start day one?

No. Nor should he. Neither should Luck.

But Newton can be a force on third and short and in the red zone from game 1.

But Clausen needs to start next year on day one. Just my opinion, but you would like him to create some sort of trade value for himself so we can move him whenever that transition takes place.

[teeray]

RD i will also say this,

If the CBA isn't completed by the draft. I am almost certain that we will draft a QB. Possibly with the first pick.

Without the CBA if we don't draft a QB we will lose total control over who comes in to compete with Clausen. it will be a crap shoot at a later date to the highest bidder. In that case if we do get a FA or trade it will be at an inflated cost either in money against the cap or draft picks.

Just doesn't make sense not to.

[TheRealDeal]

But Clausen needs to start next year on day one.

Without the CBA if we don't draft a QB we will lose total control over who comes in to compete with Clausen.

Make up your mind. Is Clausen starting on day one or are we bringing in competition?

[rippadonn]

not really true. he is pretty advanced in all aspects compared to everyone else and knows most of those things thanks to his dad's influence as well as having harbaugh coaching him and that offense he played in. also, there is quite often QBs who come out who are pretty prepared for the pro game, having come from more of a pro offense and/or having the ability to read defenses and do multiple reads.

this year is just horrible with the choices. worst QB class in many years. sad thing for a lot of teams is that there are so many teams needing a QB and a few of them might be dumb enough to reach for them. i just hope we aren't in that number.

still, luck is as close to a guarantee as you will ever find as far as becoming a successful QB. next year also has another good candidate in matt barkley from USC. he's my other choice if we can't get luck and don't have the QB situation squared away.

We all have to get over that and look forward now. We won't have the #1 pick next year either, it's Rivera's job to not let that happen, so a top prospect may be out of reach.

Rarely do you get a free agent pick up like Drew Brees so drafting your QB for the future is how you get one, perhaps the only way these days.

I wouldn't feel to great about giving anybody top pick money that clearly doesn't warrant it. Fact of the matter is no team is because of the new CBA. #1 won't be the bank breaker it once was, not at all.

If you've got the right staff you should be able to draft a player on talent alone and make a NFL player out of him without "reaching". This isn't Fox anymore so I'll give the new OC the benefit of the doubt, they may actually be able to coach.

[blackcatgrowl]

Make up your mind. Is Clausen starting on day one or are we bringing in competition?

Not that I agree with even keeping Clausen aside from maybe a practice squad role, you realize that we could START Clausen AND bring in competition? The two are not mutually exclusive.

[TheRealDeal]

Not that I agree with even keeping Clausen aside from maybe a practice squad role, you realize that we could START Clausen AND bring in competition? The two are not mutually exclusive.

Yes they are. He would not beat out one person in a legit QB competition, therefor we cannot possibly bring in competition and have him start.

[mav1234]

Yes they are. He would not beat out one person in a legit QB competition, therefor we cannot possibly bring in competition and have him start.

haha, I used to find the amount you hated Clausen disturbing, now it's just funny.

You are right, I don't think Clausen could beat any veteran they brought in for the purpose of competition though. But maybe he could. Maybe having to really fight for it could improve him.

[rayzor]

We all have to get over that and look forward now. We won't have the #1 pick next year either, it's Rivera's job to not let that happen, so a top prospect may be out of reach.

Rarely do you get a free agent pick up like Drew Brees so drafting your QB for the future is how you get one, perhaps the only way these days.

I wouldn't feel to great about giving anybody top pick money that clearly doesn't warrant it. Fact of the matter is no team is because of the new CBA. #1 won't be the bank breaker it once was, not at all.

If you've got the right staff you should be able to draft a player on talent alone and make a NFL player out of him without "reaching". This isn't Fox anymore so I'll give the new OC the benefit of the doubt, they may actually be able to coach.

i was only talking about him because someone else brought him up. i've moved on (but still hopeful that if we still need him we can still get him next year).

agreed, though. i don't think the long term answer is in FA this year and they very rarely are (but there are a couple young guys who i think might be worth a shot). i don't think the answer is in this draft either. we're going to be scratching the bottom of the barrel this year no matter what.