Peterson 1, then Marvin Austin in the 3rd.

[MHS831]

No point in arguing. This isn't like many drafts where there is a clear #1 overall choice. It is unique in that aspect, but not something that benefits us at #1 overall. Any of the three top players would immensely help us, but I think what people also don't take into consideration is the fact that they could immensely hurt as well. That is my only fear of Fairley. He has the skills but can he prove himself. No one will know until all is said and done. No one is a 'sure thing' but the idea is to get as close as possible.

Amen. The best part is this: The top 4 players in this draft all fill needs:

DT--we need 2 starters. That doesn't mean DT has to be the first pick. FA and Austin would fill the need.

WR--Maybe we are happy with a 32-year old, 5'9" WR sitting on the fence. Green would make Smith a stud again, only from the slot. Gettis and Lafell would also get many reps.

DE--On paper, we are OK, but we either have Brayton's run stopping or Hardy/Brown's pass rush. Bowers gives both and could move inside on third and long (280 lbs). Norwood will probably go specifically to SLB, so there is a possible need here. 4-3 Defenses need stud DEs. Personally, I would wait for Hardy to evolve.

CB--Last year, people avoided Gamble and went after Marshall. Take away that option with a shut down stud on the outside. Munnerlyn back to nickel. Oh my. Throw in a legit punt returner, and we are better on STs too.

[bleys]

Petersen is a great corner but would be wasted in our defense which is mostly zone under Meeks who is in charge of D backs. Picking him would be a waste of talent given we don't run that many man schemes. Conventional wisdomis you don't need great corners to run a cover 2 shell.

Green would be a good choice if we had a Qb who could throw down the field. Our best hope with Clausen is to hold the score down so we don't have to score 24 points a game. So defense would help the most this year and Fairley is the biggest need.

we haven't run more man schemes with Fox and company.. you think that translates with Rivera? I figure bringing in McDermott is a small tell on what we might find.. I find it hard to believe Meeks would be that determining factor?

which, btw, I have to add.. this year our needs are DT.. but that doesn't mean we have to draft that need when there will be realistic options in FA.. just my 2 cents, as if I haven't given that enough.

Re-signing Marshall would be a very good move for us. He's a solid corner and will thrive in a more aggressive defense. It also drops CB way down the "needs" list.

I agree with you on this.. he's physical, and Gamble has shown he flourishes more with bump and run.. if we play more man coverage, I think Marshall will be more than sufficient at the LOS..

[bleys]

I still don't buy Fairley is a must have because we need DTs.. he isn't the only option available..

it's not like if we pass on Fairley, we can't shore up the DT position with equal or greater value..

I would let it go if people would just say, "I think Fairley is going to be a beast in 3-4 years and that's just my opinion"

but to say "DT is our biggest need, it's Fairley or bust".. that just isn't accurate..

[KaseKlosed]

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We do need A DT! But your post now has no meaning.

wasnt too long ago we shut all of those guys down, if the QB has no time to throw then our entire secondary will look like pro bowers....how did we get to the super bowl again???? and we played and beat the greatest show on turf that year... just an observation....steelers def dont have a shut down corner!

[mick eye]

Nick Fairley is SUH LITE. I am gonna try and change your mind with some simple logic.

First and foremost there is the talent issue. Both Fairley and Patrick are ultra talented players but you have to give Peterson the edge when it comes to rare physical talent. Then there is the level of talent at what ever position we do not draft 1st. What corner do you think is gonna be there at the top of the third? Or what corner do you think we can steal away in FA?

Now i do not take mock drafts as gospel but if Jurrell Casey, Jarvis Jenkins, Sione Fua, or Allen Bailey are there at the top of the third it's easy. Also i think the prospect of playing for Rivera is gonna be enticing for FA defensive tackles, pair that with the expected windfall of salary room and presto one DT spot filled.

So if you have a short attention span or not a big reader here is the summary. FA corner not gonna happen. Third round corner not to good. DT's can be found in FA and in mid to late rounds. Fairley is NOT SUH. He is SUH LITE.

[catnip]

Fortysix and Two is right. We might have a greater need a DT, but you can;t take at DT who is not ranked at least in the top five. We must take the BPA at #1 which also can fill a need. Right now its looking like A J Green at WR or Peterson at CB. We have several promising WRs from last years draft along with Smith. We need a solid shutdown CB that can also do the return duties as a bonus. This allows us not to use Goodson, or another player at this position. We have two 3rd round picks to use on D-line or bring in a FA vet. Go Panthers

[bleys]

Nick Fairley is SUH LITE. I am gonna try and change your mind with some simple logic.

First and foremost there is the talent issue. Both Fairley and Patrick are ultra talented players but you have to give Peterson the edge when it comes to rare physical talent. Then there is the level of talent at what ever position we do not draft 1st. What corner do you think is gonna be there at the top of the third? Or what corner do you think we can steal away in FA?

Now i do not take mock drafts as gospel but if Jurrell Casey, Jarvis Jenkins, Sione Fua, or Allen Bailey are there at the top of the third it's easy. Also i think the prospect of playing for Rivera is gonna be enticing for FA defensive tackles, pair that with the expected windfall of salary room and presto one DT spot filled.

So if you have a short attention span or not a big reader here is the summary. FA corner not gonna happen. Third round corner not to good. DT's can be found in FA and in mid to late rounds. Fairley is NOT SUH. He is SUH LITE.

people aren't going to appreciate your tone, but your points I fully agree with..

I would take Green/Peterson over a DT at #1 simply because there realistic choices in FA for 1 DT, even 2.. and then draft another to coach up in the 3rd..

personally, if we brought Marshall back, I would ****** up Green in a heart beat, and not just for the purpose of this year, but for future years...

and all of this would is possible this off-season.. nevermind, next off-season when there are more possibilities we'll be able to take advantage of..

[rayzor]

i sure am glad we don't need any help on offense.

[bleys]

[Icege]

I wouldn't mind trading down and picking up Marvin Austin. I think he could develop to anchor the line.

I keep hearing Fairley as the next Warren Sapp. I'm always hesitant when players are compared to others. Suh was Suh. Will this guy keep trying to put his face out there when the CBA says he'll "only" make $15mil as opposed to $50mil? Can only wait and see I suppose.

[CarolinaKat]

I'm not against getting Peterson. his team has had a suspect pass defense for a couple years now.

[Baschski]

Also...Marshall sucks and most likely wont be here cause of that...

lol

[slideez]

Great thought......if there is a rookie cap this makes so much sense....leave captain at nickel...we will have 2 CB's of pretty good height and skill

[klumme]

When you are paying 1st overall money the thing you have to look at is bust factor. If you miss on the this pick you are in bad shape.

Fairley has a huge bust factor IMO. Peterson and Green not so much.

And "if" we draft Peterson over Fairley it do not mean we cant go out and upgrade our DT position via FA. If we go Fairley over Peterson we will have a hard time finding starting material at CB in FA unless you are willing to pay a billion dollars. Munnerlyn is a great NB but he will get toasted on the outside in a man cover scheme.

To those you say " You do not draft a CB at 1st overall". No the history says no but the reality says yes. Cause you do not draft a DT either or a WR and then what? Do we reach for a QB? If you start reaching at 1st overall then you are done.

1.BPA

2.Bust factor

3.Need

That is the way I would look at it. And if you put players on it:

1. BPA ( Green/Peterson > Fairley )

2. Bust factor ( Fairley > Green/Peterson

3. Need ( Fairley > Peterson/Green )

Peterson it is with Green as my outsider and the wildcard Bowers/Quinn