Here's a fun Clausen question for you

[rayzor]

I figure we probably would have won more than two games and wouldn't be picking first.

bah. moore wouldn't have gotten hurt and our coaching staff wouldn't have sucked? lol. we'd still be sucking eggs and still would have had the first pick or at least a top 3 pick.

the 47 people drafted ahead of him weren't all QBs. Just b/c he might be the best QB if he stayed in the draft doesn't make him a #1.

I think your Clausen fever is getting to you.....

What NFL team is going to draft a QB #1 overall that doesn't have good NFL size.....has an okay arm.....with questionable intangibles?? Clausen might be the #1 rated QB but he was a 2nd round pick for a reason. He doesn't jump to #1 overall b/c he stays a year.

as weak as this class is, i have a hard time believing that clausen wouldn't be the #1 QB in the draft and very well could have gone #1 overall. media wants a QB darling and are willing to gloss over defects to get it (which is why you have gabbert as the #1 QB supposedly).

clausen would have made an even stronger case for his being drafted early in his senior year. some believed he just wasn't ready for the switch to the pros as far as maturity goes. his stats would have been more impressive than other years, seeing as how he improved dramatically each year. success with another coach would have been a bonus.

[rayzor]

I'm glad someone understands logic. Guess I didn't get the memo that without Clausen we would have went into the season with just Moore and Pike.

you're agreeing with someone who just hates clausen no matter what he does. hardly someone that has an open mind about him. nothing logical about that.

[CRA]

bah. moore wouldn't have gotten hurt and our coaching staff wouldn't have sucked? lol. we'd still be sucking eggs and still would have had the first pick or at least a top 3 pick.

as weak as this class is, i have a hard time believing that clausen wouldn't be the #1 QB in the draft and very well could have gone #1 overall. media wants a QB darling and are willing to gloss over defects to get it (which is why you have gabbert as the #1 QB supposedly).

clausen would have made an even stronger case for his being drafted early in his senior year. some believed he just wasn't ready for the switch to the pros as far as maturity goes. his stats would have been more impressive than other years, seeing as how he improved dramatically each year. success with another coach would have been a bonus.

well I agree he likely would be the #1 QB....I just disagree w/ the #1 overall notion. Clausen got tons of hype last year......and no one was buying it. That is why he went 48th. I don't see people buying the hype more if he waited a year.

Clausen just doesn't have the ideal physical tools people look for in an NFL QB.....some of the other guys would have the ideal tools to work w/ at their position and that is ultimately my reasoning for saying he would be likely the #1 QB but not #1 overall.

[chef17]

bah. moore wouldn't have gotten hurt and our coaching staff wouldn't have sucked? lol. we'd still be sucking eggs and still would have had the first pick or at least a top 3 pick.as weak as this class is, i have a hard time believing that clausen wouldn't be the #1 QB in the draft and very well could have gone #1 overall. media wants a QB darling and are willing to gloss over defects to get it (which is why you have gabbert as the #1 QB supposedly).

clausen would have made an even stronger case for his being drafted early in his senior year. some believed he just wasn't ready for the switch to the pros as far as maturity goes. his stats would have been more impressive than other years, seeing as how he improved dramatically each year. success with another coach would have been a bonus.

I love how people continue to think I'm saying Moore would have been better. I am going off the basis Moore still got hurt. Without Clausen on the roster, we would have Moore and Pike at QB. I doubt we would have only had 2 QBs, so I assume (based off common sense) we would have signed a FA. With Moore still getting hurt, the FA would have played the games instead of Clausen. I believe ANY FA would have performed better than Clausen and gotten more than one win out of ten games.

[rayzor]

people have been saying overand over that not even peyton manning could have helped out with as poorly as the rest of the team and coaching staff did.

no FA would have been able to come in and fix this mess or turn things around much.

we'd still be in the same boat.

[chef17]

you're agreeing with someone who just hates clausen no matter what he does. hardly someone that has an open mind about him. nothing logical about that.

I agree with him that if we signed a vet, they would have played better than Clausen. Plenty of logic in that.

[chef17]

people have been saying overand over that not even peyton manning could have helped out with as poorly as the rest of the team and coaching staff did.

no FA would have been able to come in and fix this mess or turn things around much.

we'd still be in the same boat.

You honestly believe with Peyton Manning we would have went 2-14?? :confused: Not saying we would have been in the playoffs or anything, but I doubt even in our situation Peyton could only win 2 games.

[rayzor]

played better wouldn't = more wins. we weren't doing any better with moore. we wouldn't have done any better with any FA.

there was crap available.

[rayzor]

You honestly believe with Peyton Manning we would have went 2-14?? :confused: Not saying we would have been in the playoffs or anything, but I doubt even in our situation Peyton could only win 2 games.

i din't say i believed it, but he wasn't available was he? who was available that could have helped out? there was no one.

anyone worth a job would have had it. we would still have been stuck with guys like BSP.

[Icege]

Interesting question. I wish I could give a solid answer/opinion but going 2-14 makes me hesitant to speculate. It would all have depended on how his total body of work looked while being mindful of variables that effected his season.

[CRA]

people have been saying overand over that not even peyton manning could have helped out with as poorly as the rest of the team and coaching staff did.

no FA would have been able to come in and fix this mess or turn things around much.

we'd still be in the same boat.

but that simply isn't true. Indy has gotten poor OL play, poor play from the run game, and iffy defensive play and rolled to a 10 win season. QB play is HUGE even if your team isn't built around it.

We would have been much more competitive and won more games w/ better QB play. With remotely decent QB play we could have won games like NY, Cincy, Chi, Seattle etc. to win games. QBs imploded when the Panthers were put in position to beat opponents rather easily.

I think w/ all the bad people have forgetten how easy it would have been for Carolina to win some ball games w/ non horrific QB play.

[CRA]

played better wouldn't = more wins. we weren't doing any better with moore. we wouldn't have done any better with any FA.

there was crap available.

Clausen started 10 games and played in 13. BSP started a game. Moore has a VERY small window for so many people to treat his play as solid proof of something.....and he did some good in that very small window.

[chef17]

played better wouldn't = more wins. we weren't doing any better with moore. we wouldn't have done any better with any FA.

there was crap available.

Moore was 1-4 as a starter, that is better. Anyway I think if we had a QB who threw the ball down the field more our passing game would have improved leading to more wins. My opinion is even a crap FA could get the ball down field better than Clausen which I think would lead to more wins.

[rayzor]

we might have had one more win and still wound up with the first pick.

and you honestly think that BSP would have won more games than clausen? lol. fox/davidson was still calling the shots. our choices for QB would have been not much better than clausen if they were better at all (which i'm doubtful of). you have too high an expectation of what was available last year.