Rudderless ship issue

[cookinbrak]

53 minutes ago, lightsout said:

 

Slavin and Burns are fuging toast right now. They're exhausted as hell. Ghost is literally just trying to not let guys behind him because he doesn't have the legs right now. Orlov is Orlov.

 

Let Niki bomb. Teach Nikishin "off" and let him fuging try to run a normal shift.

This right here. Pair him with Orlov and bring the hammer down.

[organicrusty1201]

so we can finally put to bed "In Rod we trust"  -   just can't fathom how a team that lost badly the first game on home ice comes out and quits on the coach

[PNW_PantherMan]

Everybody wants one guy to blame.  But the truth is our players got punched in the mouth, and they are playing completely intimidated.  If you think playing musical chairs with head coach is the solution to that problem, I don't know what to tell you.

They don't have confidence in themselves, because Florida is schooling them on the ice and beating the crap out of them while they do it.

We have one of the most well run organizations in the NHL and you guys are ready to burn the building down because we ran into a buzz saw that goes on to win the SC.  And to top it all off, SC wasn't supposed to even be in the cards for expectations this year.  If we lost in Game 7 last series, nobody would be talking like this.  But because we're getting swept in the ECF now it's time to fire Rod.

Maybe the team does need a fresh voice, but tantrum throwing over exceeding this season's expectations is pretty ridiculous.

[PantherChris]

2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Everybody wants one guy to blame.  But the truth is our players got punched in the mouth, and they are playing completely intimidated.  If you think playing musical chairs with head coach is the solution to that problem, I don't know what to tell you.

They don't have confidence in themselves, because Florida is schooling them on the ice and beating the crap out of them while they do it.

We have one of the most well run organizations in the NHL and you guys are ready to burn the building down because we ran into a buzz saw that goes on to win the SC.  And to top it all off, SC wasn't supposed to even be in the cards for expectations this year.  If we lost in Game 7 last series, nobody would be talking like this.  But because we're getting swept in the ECF now it's time to fire Rod.

Maybe the team does need a fresh voice, but tantrum throwing over exceeding this season's expectations is pretty ridiculous.

You are ignoring the fact this isn't the first time its the THIRD TIME this has happened.

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

You are ignoring the fact this isn't the first time its the THIRD TIME this has happened.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

[PantherChris]

Yea brilliant NO PRACTICE TODAY AFTER THAT DISASTER 

[Stumpy]

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

We have one of the most well run organizations in the NHL and you guys are ready to burn the building down because we ran into a buzz saw that goes on to win the SC.  And to top it all off, SC wasn't supposed to even be in the cards for expectations this year.  If we lost in Game 7 last series, nobody would be talking like this.  But because we're getting swept in the ECF now it's time to fire Rod.

This sentiment is really starting to bother me. Because, you are right. We do have one of the most well run organizations in the league. And, a lot of fans seem to think that Rod is that entire organization.

This line of thinking completely discredits all of the hard work that GMs, scouts and players have put in to make the team what it has become. Not to mention the impact that the ownership change has had on the team. You will never hear me singing the praises of a billionaire. But, the fact is, we went from a cap floor team to a cap ceiling team under TD.

Have we dramatically improved from the dark old days since Rod took over? Absolutely. But, he wasn't the only one contributing to that rise. And if he leaves, the house of cards isn't going to magically crumble. At this point, we've seen enough players leave and flourish (or come here and wither) to know that isn't true.

The organization isn't one man. But, one man is responsible for setting lineups, line combos, d pairings and drawing up set plays. And, to me, that is what lost us these 2 games in embarrassing fashion. I don't believe that Florida is just some unbeatable juggernaut running roughshot over the league. Last I checked they didn't go 82-0.

If you believe this is a personnel issue, by all means, bame the players, the scouts and the GMs. Blame everybody but RBA. If there was one player or position group to blame, I would tend to agree with you.

When an entire team collapses, it's not on the players. It's on the leadership and they are the ones who should be held accountable.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, Stumpy said:

When an entire team collapses, it's not on the players. It's on the leadership and they are the ones who should be held accountable.

So you would keep the Leafs core intact if you were their GM and just fire the coach?

Rod isn't blameless and I'm not saying he's a perfect coach.  I just don't think coaching is the reason we are losing this series.  And if your main gripe is getting past the ECF hump, it starts with the guys on the ice.

Bottom line is teams know they can bully the Canes for free and it's been a problem for years.  I don't think that's a coaching problem.

[PantherChris]

2 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

This sentiment is really starting to bother me. Because, you are right. We do have one of the most well run organizations in the league. And, a lot of fans seem to think that Rod is that entire organization.

This line of thinking completely discredits all of the hard work that GMs, scouts and players have put in to make the team what it has become. Not to mention the impact that the ownership change has had on the team. You will never hear me singing the praises of a billionaire. But, the fact is, we went from a cap floor team to a cap ceiling team under TD.

Have we dramatically improved from the dark old days since Rod took over? Absolutely. But, he wasn't the only one contributing to that rise. And if he leaves, the house of cards isn't going to magically crumble. At this point, we've seen enough players leave and flourish (or come here and wither) to know that isn't true.

The organization isn't one man. But, one man is responsible for setting lineups, line combos, d pairings and drawing up set plays. And, to me, that is what lost us these 2 games in embarrassing fashion. I don't believe that Florida is just some unbeatable juggernaut running roughshot over the league. Last I checked they didn't go 82-0.

If you believe this is a personnel issue, by all means, bame the players, the scouts and the GMs. Blame everybody but RBA. If there was one player or position group to blame, I would tend to agree with you.

When an entire team collapses, it's not on the players. It's on the leadership and they are the ones who should be held accountable.

I agree with this and as far as Rod "changing the culture" I think Mr GAME 7 Justin Williams had far more to do with it than he is credited, The feel good 2019-2020 season doesnt happen without his leadership IMO

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

So you would keep the Leafs core intact if you were their GM and just fire the coach?

Rod isn't blameless and I'm not saying he's a perfect coach.  I just don't think coaching is the reason we are losing this series.  And if your main gripe is getting past the ECF hump, it starts with the guys on the ice.

Bottom line is teams know they can bully the Canes for free and it's been a problem for years.  I don't think that's a coaching problem.

The leafs are a house of cards with 4 mega deals and no depth or goal tending due to it... it doesnt help that all of those stars also dissappear in the playoffs.... when the leafs lose its not a total collapse its just four guys not performing and the rest playing like the usually do.

[Stumpy]

And no, @PNW_PantherMan, that really wasn't directed towards you. Just needed to vent after last night and all the weird toxic positivity on r/canes. I don't think they realize that by absolving Rod of all blame, they are just putting that blame on everyone else.

"Stupid doomers, RBA is a god and this team would have folded and moved to Quebec if it wasn't for him!" Is a weird way to support your team.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, Stumpy said:

And no, @PNW_PantherMan, that really wasn't directed towards you. Just needed to vent after last night and all the weird toxic positivity on r/canes. I don't think they realize that by absolving Rod of all blame, they are just putting that blame on everyone else.

"Stupid doomers, RBA is a god and this team would have folded and moved to Quebec if it wasn't for him!" Is a weird way to support your team.

To me the biggest problem under Rod is not bringing in some sort of power play expert as an assistant.  It's inexcusable at this point.

I think coaches raise the floor of a team and players determine the ceiling.  Rod's coaching can get us to the dance but it's up to Aho, Jarvis, Svech, etc to take over the game and elevate the team in the biggest moments.  When Aho is getting a wedgie while we give up 2 on 1s, I don't know what you want the coach to do.

The NHL playoffs are just dirty as hell.  They don't call hardly anything and you can basically just bully the other team the entire time.  The teams that win the cup always have some element of their team that does that.  Our team does not have that element.

[PantherChris]

2 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

And no, @PNW_PantherMan, that really wasn't directed towards you. Just needed to vent after last night and all the weird toxic positivity on r/canes. I don't think they realize that by absolving Rod of all blame, they are just putting that blame on everyone else.

"Stupid doomers, RBA is a god and this team would have folded and moved to Quebec if it wasn't for him!" Is a weird way to support your team.

Its the same on Facebook too..... casual fans throwing a fit at me because I told them these guys are multi millionaire professionals and deserved to be booed because we paid to see that sh*t show

[PantherChris]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

To me the biggest problem under Rod is not bringing in some sort of power play expert as an assistant.  It's inexcusable at this point.

I think coaches raise the floor of a team and players determine the ceiling.  Rod's coaching can get us to the dance but it's up to Aho, Jarvis, Svech, etc to take over the game and elevate the team in the biggest moments.  When Aho is getting a wedgie while we give up 2 on 1s, I don't know what you want the coach to do.

The NHL playoffs are just dirty as hell.  They don't call hardly anything and you can basically just bully the other team the entire time.  The teams that win the cup always have some element of their team that does that.  Our team does not have that element.

Its nepotism his best friend runs the power play