Jalen Ramsey

[kungfoodude]

26 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

We did it in 2015 when everyone had us ranked in the 20s preseason.  

I mean.....I hate to burst your bubble but we have perhaps a tenth of the talent that 2015 team had and I am being VERY generous. 

That is honestly one of the wildest comparisions I have seen on the Huddle in long time.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I’d throw a 4th at it but nothing more than that.  The fact that the cap space can be reclaimed when needed makes it only a risk on a locker room/team chemistry basis.

I like Ramsey plenty but I don't think this fits for us or him unless he just wants to be here for some strange reason. In that scenario, sure. I suspect it is more likely that he has no desire to come to Carolina at all.

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean.....I hate to burst your bubble but we have perhaps a tenth of the talent that 2015 team had and I am being VERY generous. 

That is honestly one of the wildest comparisions I have seen on the Huddle in long time.

I didn't say we were as good as 2015, what I'm saying is you never know and you can't build you're team as if you do

[jfra78]

22 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean.....I hate to burst your bubble but we have perhaps a tenth of the talent that 2015 team had and I am being VERY generous. 

That is honestly one of the wildest comparisions I have seen on the Huddle in long time.

If you're saying that you knew, in May of 2015, that the Panthers, after going 7-8-1, were going to make a deep playoff run 2015, you're lying.  Nobody thought this team was going to go 15-1 and most thought we were going to miss the playoffs. 

[kungfoodude]

38 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I didn't say we were as good as 2015, what I'm saying is you never know and you can't build you're team as if you do

 

15 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

If you're saying that you knew, in May of 2015, that the Panthers, after going 7-8-1, were going to make a deep playoff run 2015, you're lying.  Nobody thought this team was going to go 15-1 and most thought we were going to miss the playoffs. 

I am not sure what triggered you to keep replying to the same post but we all knew the level of talent on the team at the time AND in hindsight in 2015. How it came together was anyone's guess but these players were not unknowns:

Cam Newton

Jonathan Stewart

Greg Olsen

Ryan Kalil

Trai Turner

Charles Johnson

Star Lotulelei

Kawaan Short

Jared Allen

Luke Keuchly

Thomas Davis

Josh Norman

Kurt Coleman

 

That's just the list of KNOWN entities even at that time. Guys who might start on that team? POSSIBLY Brown and probably Horn? Maybe a couple of OL?

 

It's such an insanely better roster at the time AND in hindsight that it's laughable to literally compare them.

Not to mention....we already had a winning culture in Carolina. There isn't a single player on this roster that we have drafted that was on a winning team outside, what? LS and RT?

[Mills]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

If you're saying that you knew, in May of 2015, that the Panthers, after going 7-8-1, were going to make a deep playoff run 2015, you're lying.  Nobody thought this team was going to go 15-1 and most thought we were going to miss the playoffs. 

And Especially after Benjamin tore his acl in training camp. 

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

 

I am not sure what triggered you to keep replying to the same post but we all knew the level of talent on the team at the time AND in hindsight in 2015. How it came together was anyone's guess but these players were not unknowns:

Cam Newton

Jonathan Stewart

Greg Olsen

Ryan Kalil

Trai Turner

Charles Johnson

Star Lotulelei

Kawaan Short

Jared Allen

Luke Keuchly

Thomas Davis

Josh Norman

Kurt Coleman

 

That's just the list of KNOWN entities even at that time. Guys who might start on that team? POSSIBLY Brown and probably Horn? Maybe a couple of OL?

 

It's such an insanely better roster at the time AND in hindsight that it's laughable to literally compare them.

Not to mention....we already had a winning culture in Carolina. There isn't a single player on this roster that we have drafted that was on a winning team outside, what? LS and RT?

Josh Norman was hot and cold and often injured before 2015.  Jared Allen was traded to us in September of 2015, so he wasn't there in May of 2015.  No one outside of Carolina knew who Coleman was.  I will give you the rest, but there's no way you would think with those players that we were going to make a deep playoff run.

Edited May 27 by jfra78

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Josh Norman was hot and cold and often injured before 2015.  Jared Allen was traded to us in September of 2015, so he wasn't there in May of 2015.  No one outside of Carolina knew who Coleman was.  I will give you the rest, but there's no way you would think with those players that we were going to make a deep playoff run.

Yeah, no one could have ever thought a very talented team that went 12-4 two years prior, had lost in the divisional round of the playoffs two straight years in a row and won the division two straight years would be at all successful. 

I will give you 15-1 and Super Bowl was unexpected but comparing them to this team is absolutely, lightspeed insane.

I get it was a holiday weekend but that level of drinking seems unsafe. Also, history is very likely to be unkind to that prediction.

By all means, please tell us about upcoming Super Bowl appearance and 17-0 season.

[jfra78]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, no one could have ever thought a very talented team that went 12-4 two years prior, had lost in the divisional round of the playoffs two straight years in a row and won the division two straight years would be at all successful. 

I will give you 15-1 and Super Bowl was unexpected but comparing them to this team is absolutely, lightspeed insane.

I get it was a holiday weekend but that level of drinking seems unsafe. Also, history is very likely to be unkind to that prediction.

By all means, please tell us about upcoming Super Bowl appearance and 17-0 season.

Most media outlets had them ranked in the mid 20s at this time in 2015.  So regardless of what you think, not many believed they were a deep playoff threat.  So when they went out and traded for Jared Allen and signed Peanut Tillman, both aging vets, they did so even tho no one thought they had a chance.  The team should always think they have a chance and 2015 proves that.  

[LinvilleGorge]

15 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean.....I hate to burst your bubble but we have perhaps a tenth of the talent that 2015 team had and I am being VERY generous. 

That is honestly one of the wildest comparisions I have seen on the Huddle in long time.

We would have had to have had a perfect off-season to come anywhere close to that 2015 team. And honestly, that 2015 team was basically an elite defense and an MVP QB going full Superman to carry an overall subpar offensive roster.

[kungfoodude]

49 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Most media outlets had them ranked in the mid 20s at this time in 2015.  So regardless of what you think, not many believed they were a deep playoff threat.  So when they went out and traded for Jared Allen and signed Peanut Tillman, both aging vets, they did so even tho no one thought they had a chance.  The team should always think they have a chance and 2015 proves that.  

Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer also thought they were always a couple of moves away. How did that work out?

You are conflating two INSANELY different scenarios in a syphilitic fashion. We have zero winning culture here. Arguably we are in the infancy of even establishing a clear football culture of any sort given the ridiculous turnover rates. 

We are very lucky that Morgan resisted the need to do what fans like you want and spend like drunken sailors on aging veterans for the "win now" mentality that Rhule/Fitterer had. It appears that he is smart enough to realize this is a long, difficult process to completely build a winning franchise from the ground up with zero foundation to build upon.

Hence why we leaned towards younger FA's and didn't make a bunch of panicked and ignorant draft moves(not that I agreed with all of them). There seems to be an actual blueprint in place for the first time in years. Now, I don't know the result or if they will even be afforded the time to execute it but going full Fitterer is the last thing we want. Hell, we are just now finally recovering from that period.

[jfra78]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Matt Rhule and Scott Fitterer also thought they were always a couple of moves away. How did that work out?

You are conflating two INSANELY different scenarios in a syphilitic fashion. We have zero winning culture here. Arguably we are in the infancy of even establishing a clear football culture of any sort given the ridiculous turnover rates. 

We are very lucky that Morgan resisted the need to do what fans like you want and spend like drunken sailors on aging veterans for the "win now" mentality that Rhule/Fitterer had. It appears that he is smart enough to realize this is a long, difficult process to completely build a winning franchise from the ground up with zero foundation to build upon.

Hence why we leaned towards younger FA's and didn't make a bunch of panicked and ignorant draft moves(not that I agreed with all of them). There seems to be an actual blueprint in place for the first time in years. Now, I don't know the result or if they will even be afforded the time to execute it but going full Fitterer is the last thing we want. Hell, we are just now finally recovering from that period.

Lol okay you have your opinion I have mine.  If they decide to go after Jalen Ramsey, I will be okay and you will be upset. Nothing new

[frankw]

2015 Panthers are a good example that anything can happen given that when Kelvin Benjamin went down nobody had us pegged as a playoff team. But we did win a lot of close games. There were also times where luck clearly went our way. But there were also other times where leaders on the team stepped up and made big time plays at crucial moments. And to be clear that was in what was IMO a much much more competitive iteration of the NFC and certainly our division. If the Panthers can't at least compete for a shot at the playoffs in these circumstances then everyone involved should be embarrassed.

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Lol okay you have your opinion I have mine.  If they decide to go after Jalen Ramsey, I will be okay and you will be upset. Nothing new

I am not going to be upset, I just really won't understand the thought process unless he is interested in sticking around long term.

I definitely am not going to buy Super Bowl tickets if it happens, which I am assuming you are browsing just in case we do trade for him?