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[kungfoodude]

46 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I hear what you are saying, but he honestly had a similar profile to Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson entering the draft. I think he has all the talent to be great; it's just a matter if he can stay healthy and learn to read defenses. He also really had nobody to throw to at WR when he was on the field.

I still wanted CJ number 1 and had Bryce and AR as a distant 2 and 3. AR was definitely a pick that when you made it, you sit him at least year 1 (like the Giants are going to do with Dart). Colts rushed him out there and have paid the price for it so far.

No, he had nothing close to that profile even remotely. He was one of the most inaccurate passers I have ever seen as a "top prospect." That literally directly translated.

Hurts was a 65+% career passer. Jackson was closer at 57% versus the 54.7% but the difference to the eye was REALLY obvious in the passing game.

You can check the record, I wanted absolutely nothing to do with drafting AR. 

Richardson currently has worse stats than Jamarcus Russell through the equivalent amount of games. Think about that.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

No, he had nothing close to that profile even remotely. He was one of the most inaccurate passers I have ever seen as a "top prospect." That literally directly translated.

Hurts was a 65+% career passer. Jackson was closer at 57% versus the 54.7% but the difference to the eye was REALLY obvious in the passing game.

You can check the record, I wanted absolutely nothing to do with drafting AR. 

Richardson currently has worse stats than Jamarcus Russell through the equivalent amount of games. Think about that.

Stats aside, I know it's hard to believe, but just pure eye ball test Anthony Richardson at Florida looked like Drew Brees compared to Josh Allen at Wyoming. Like I said, it's honestly impossible to talk about Allen's inaccuracy at Wyoming without sounding like you're talking in massive hyperbole. Bruh couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. LOL

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Stats aside, I know it's hard to believe, but just pure eye ball test Anthony Richardson at Florida looked like Drew Brees compared to Josh Allen at Wyoming. Like I said, it's honestly impossible to talk about Allen's inaccuracy at Wyoming without sounding like you're talking in massive hyperbole. Bruh couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. LOL

He was a more accurate passer at 56.2%.

That's what I mean. Even by outlier standards, this dude was inaccurate.

Closest I can recall to something like that would have been one of those GT QB's like Reggie Ball. Career 48.6% passer.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He was a more accurate passer at 56.2%.

That's what I mean. Even by outlier standards, this dude was inaccurate.

Closest I can recall to something like that would have been one of those GT QB's like Reggie Ball. Career 48.6% passer.

That's why I said stats aside. I lived in CO during Allen's college career and didn't have kids at the time so I watched most of his games. Bruh, I'm telling you. Balls just spraying all over the place. The type of throws where you're honestly trying to figure out who he was even trying to throw that one too. It was crazy. Richardson was inaccurate in college but at least you could tell who he was trying to throw it too. He threw a lot of early in the game Cam Newton type balls where it seemed like he was just a little too amped up and everything was a few feet high. Richardson's misses looked like they were maybe fixable with working on his footwork, release, etc. Josh Allen's misses looked like "ain't no way you're fixin' that poo, dude has a cannon equipped with no sights". LOL

Huge props to the Bills for evaluating him as fixable and indeed fixing him.

[Shotgun]

3 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Honestly, Bryce would be in the same situation if not for the improved play over the last 10 games last season. He was skating on some thin ice. 

I'm not sure that in a fair QB competition that Young would beat out Jones.  

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I'm not sure that in a fair QB competition that Young would beat out Jones.  

 

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's why I said stats aside. I lived in CO during Allen's college career and didn't have kids at the time so I watched most of his games. Bruh, I'm telling you. Balls just spraying all over the place. The type of throws where you're honestly trying to figure out who he was even trying to throw that one too. It was crazy. Richardson was inaccurate in college but at least you could tell who he was trying to throw it too. He threw a lot of early in the game Cam Newton type balls where it seemed like he was just a little too amped up and everything was a few feet high. Richardson's misses looked like they were maybe fixable with working on his footwork, release, etc. Josh Allen's misses looked like "ain't no way you're fixin' that poo, dude has a cannon equipped with no sights". LOL

Huge props to the Bills for evaluating him as fixable and indeed fixing him.

Keep in mind. Steichen was supposed to be one of those QB whisperer types too. It's gonna taken some luster off of him on the way unemployment after the season.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Keep in mind. Steichen was supposed to be one of those QB whisperer types too. It's gonna taken some luster off of him on the way unemployment after the season.

Everything about AR's demeanor in the NFL screams that they should've identified serious mental make up red flags during the pre-draft process. I mean, if you're going to roll the dice on a project type player you have to at least be convinced that the guy is coachable and he's going to commit himself to improving his craft. There just haven't been any signs of that from AR.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Everything about AR's demeanor in the NFL screams that they should've identified serious mental make up red flags during the pre-draft process. I mean, if you're going to roll the dice on a project type player you have to at least be convinced that the guy is coachable and he's going to commit himself to improving his craft. There just haven't been any signs of that from AR.

No. I think he lost the coaching staff with that taking himself out stunt and always being injured. 

Not to mention, he just doesn't improve at all. Not an ounce. 

Sad state of affairs to basically easily lose a starting battle to Daniel Jones.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

No. I think he lost the coaching staff with that taking himself out stunt and always being injured. 

Not to mention, he just doesn't improve at all. Not an ounce. 

Sad state of affairs to basically easily lose a starting battle to Daniel Jones.

Yep, pretty much.

[UnluckyforSome]

40 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

No. I think he lost the coaching staff with that taking himself out stunt and always being injured. 

Not to mention, he just doesn't improve at all. Not an ounce. 

Sad state of affairs to basically easily lose a starting battle to Daniel Jones.

Personally, I am of the opinion that Jones was drafted mostly on the reputation and name of David Cutcliffe. He has never demonstrated any other reason to be drafted that high, or to stick around in the league for the amount of time he has.

[Shotgun]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're right. I misremembered. It was $15.

They should put Cam's picture on there add instead...they would sell better.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Personally, I am of the opinion that Jones was drafted mostly on the reputation and name of David Cutcliffe. He has never demonstrated any other reason to be drafted that high, or to stick around in the league for the amount of time he has.

He is just Sam Darnold. Lots of talent, ten cent brain. 

Also, just not a good QB draft. Best of that bunch were Kyler, Jones and Minshew basically in that order. 

So one averageish starter and two backup QB's.

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Keep in mind. Steichen was supposed to be one of those QB whisperer types too. It's gonna taken some luster off of him on the way unemployment after the season.

Some QB's are deaf. Whispering just makes it even harder for them to progress.