Post- Training Camp 53-Man Roster Projection

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

He mentioned the Panthers would be receiving a conditional 8th round draft choice in the 2028 NFL draft 

We don't have an 8th in 2028. That is the last remaining pick we owe Chicago for the Bryce Young deal.

[Seltzer]

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

Think the 53 is pretty realistic. Evans>Bartholomew tho

It will be interesting to see how playing time is split tomorrow night.

Bartholomew has been running with Thornton & the 2nd unit.

Evans has been with the 3s. But, he does have significantly more starting & playing experience.

I also think Mike Reid could make the 53 (or a waiver claim) as the backup nickel behind Chau Smith-Wade since most of the CBs project more as outside CBs.

IMO, Jaycee, Mike Jack, CSW, & Thornton are locks.

The final spot(s) will be interesting.

I think there is also a decent possibility we bring in a veteran CB after Week 1 (salary not guaranteed).

[Seltzer]

Also, the more Oline injuries around the league makes me think the Panthers are both fielding calls about potential trades, and I also think this increases the chance the Panthers keep a 10th offensive linemen.

Could be a trade piece. Regardless, Oline depth around the league is abysmal, and this is hopefully going to be a strength for this team.

Personally, I would be ecstatic if we could trade our 10th Olinemen for ILB or S depth

[CRA]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't necessarily disagree on the reps but technically the most important overall evaluation aid he is performing relates to Young. In the case that TMac flounders, XL doesn't develop and Coker turns out to be ceiling limited, he did have very good chemistry with Bryce.

Now, I am obviously describing worst case scenario but AT does have a role at the moment for that reason alone. If he declines and someone else on the roster bumps him down, by all means, put him on the bench.

So, outside of a "mentor" and "Bryce Young safety blanket" role, I completely agree we should have not resigned him. But that decision was also made in a world minus two of the WR's we drafted. 

it's year 3 for Bryce.   So yeah, I just wany my young WRs hogging reps.  Not AT.   We are at the stage now where it's about focusing on others not named Bryce.  If Bryce can't do it in year 3 and keep growing with a cast he is largely very familiar with (and that is minus AT).....then it's just a BY issue. 

[CRA]

3 hours ago, Swaggasaurus said:

I’m sorry but banking on “developing” TMac, XL, and Coker is some wishful thinking. Just look at the history of this franchise. 

JT Sanders is a fun athlete, but he’s kind of just a chubby Legette right now. Bouncing AT for these guys THIS season is putting the cart before the horse at minimum 

well, I mean, we could just close the doors..  But yeah, developing our young players is what teams do.   This is the window where dudes like AT get cut for the young dudes to take over on other teams. 

AT is vastly overrated IMO.  It's just volume and fantasy stats.  He is out there doing small TE work in a position we need a lot more out of.   If BY fails, it's not because AT isn't on the field in 2025.  The BY pick is just a failure.  And this is the season/time for that to be answered IMO. 

[kungfoodude]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

it's year 3 for Bryce.   So yeah, I just wany my young WRs hogging reps.  Not AT.   We are at the stage now where it's about focusing on others not named Bryce.  If Bryce can't do it in year 3 and keep growing with a cast he is largely very familiar with (and that is minus AT).....then it's just a BY issue. 

Nah, it is about Bryce. That is the most significant thing going on with the franchise by a massive margin. Followed probably by Ikey and maybe Horn.

XL being a bust, doesn't matter. TMac not working out, that would matter but it's year 1. 

Bryce has such a massive impact on the future plans of this franchise, he is overwhelmingly the most important factor.

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9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Nah, it is about Bryce. That is the most significant thing going on with the franchise by a massive margin. Followed probably by Ikey and maybe Horn.

XL being a bust, doesn't matter. TMac not working out, that would matter but it's year 1. 

Bryce has such a massive impact on the future plans of this franchise, he is overwhelmingly the most important factor.

It's year 3 for Bryce Young.  I mean it is about Bryce Young....but saying having AT rostered or not is some key factor in what BY will do or not doesn't sell with me.  

we literally just moved on from BY last year.  I mean, people forget that is the reality of last year.  Him getting the chance he did to "comeback" wasn't really in the plans of Carolina.  They sort of are now stuck with this let's see year 3 of Bryce Young scenario.  Which presents a really bad scenarios going forward.  Getting stuck w/ a QB you don't really want and you know just doesn't have the ceiling.   So to me, I just don't see the argument of having AT eat up the reps and looks he gets.   Developing and targeting our younger guys is way more important than AT's fantasy volume....and AT hogging up the oxygen in our O keeps the ceiling low.  If you have BY, you don't need AT types.  Again, it's year 3.   Training wheels can't stay on for him.  He either can ride or he can't.  

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

It's year 3 for Bryce Young.  I mean it is about Bryce Young....but saying having AT rostered or not is some key factor in what BY will do or not doesn't sell with me.  

we literally just moved on from BY last year.  I mean, people forget that is the reality of last year.  Him getting the chance he did to "comeback" wasn't really in the plans of Carolina.  They sort of are now stuck with this let's see year 3 of Bryce Young scenario.  Which presents a really bad scenarios going forward.  Getting stuck w/ a QB you don't really want and you know just doesn't have the ceiling.   So to me, I just don't see the argument of having AT eat up the reps and looks he gets.   Developing and targeting our younger guys is way more important than AT's fantasy volume....and AT hogging up the oxygen in our O keeps the ceiling low.  If you have BY, you don't need AT types.  Again, it's year 3.   Training wheels can't stay on for him.  He either can ride or he can't.  

The point being if AT is the most effective, he should play. By all means, hopefully the young guys beat him out but until that happens, I don't think throwing the whole offense into the hands of a largely unproven and inexperienced group is necessarily the best idea for anyone's development. 

Ultimately, that's the FO and coaches decision, for better or worse. They seem to be wanting to stick with AT for at least one more year.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

The point being if AT is the most effective, he should play. By all means, hopefully the young guys beat him out but until that happens, I don't think throwing the whole offense into the hands of a largely unproven and inexperienced group is necessarily the best idea for anyone's development. 

Ultimately, that's the FO and coaches decision, for better or worse. They seem to be wanting to stick with AT for at least one more year.

I think you could literally take any WR on our roster (top 5 ish guys) insert him into AT's role....and that WR auto becomes the most "effective" WR on the roster.    Because that's the spot BY's is going to look to the most given his playstyle.  

and it keeps the O ceiling super low.  BY really forces you to need a playmaker in that spot.  You definitely don't need someone with nothing really in the tank eating that up. 

anywho, may take on why the BY offense has never worked has never changed.   rec RB, TE, playmaker at the slot.  That's what he needs.  Right now, everything we add is on the outside.  And that's not BY's game. 

[ProcessBlue2]

Thielen and a 4th for Ivan Pace Jr?

could be a nice final season for AT to return home. We get a 24 year old LB on a rookie deal. 

[ProcessBlue2]

23 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think you could literally take any WR on our roster (top 5 ish guys) insert him into AT's role....and that WR auto becomes the most "effective" WR on the roster.    Because that's the spot BY's is going to look to the most given his playstyle.  

Renfrow would become the new Thielen. No, not because he’s white, but because they play so similarly. Superb route runners. 

[Tbe]

AT is here to coach up the young guys. That’s it.

[SCMunnerlyn1]

That defense looks awful on paper unfortunately 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I think you could literally take any WR on our roster (top 5 ish guys) insert him into AT's role....and that WR auto becomes the most "effective" WR on the roster.    Because that's the spot BY's is going to look to the most given his playstyle.  

and it keeps the O ceiling super low.  BY really forces you to need a playmaker in that spot.  You definitely don't need someone with nothing really in the tank eating that up. 

anywho, may take on why the BY offense has never worked has never changed.   rec RB, TE, playmaker at the slot.  That's what he needs.  Right now, everything we add is on the outside.  And that's not BY's game. 

I mean, we are mere weeks from knowing.

We will see how this terrifying tale ends soon enough.