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[carpanfan96]

On 8/27/2025 at 12:24 PM, tukafan21 said:

It's about the inexperience of the room

Coaches can't teach players everything, I just really don't like the lack of a seasoned vet WR (Moore doesn't really count with his 115 career receptions) to help these guys out.  Even just the in-between series stuff where the vets are giving the young guys tips and pointers on things, that will be missed if we don't bring someone else in (or Renfrow back).

Usually the best teachers are ones who played the position but didn't have a ton of success for whatever reason. 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

Usually the best teachers are ones who played the position but didn't have a ton of success for whatever reason. 

That's sometimes the case when it comes to the X's and O's of the game, and in film study.

But when it comes down to the little things like hand/foot movement to beat X, Y, or Z coverage off the line or any other number of nuanced like that, basically the things players are discussing on the sideline between series, that's where the vets come into place.

Those are the things that if the coaches who didn't have a ton of success were good at, they'd likely have had more success in their careers.

But either way, none of that changes that coaches can only do so much, having vets to lean on is imperative to young players in their early years, it's not really even debatable.

[Navy_football]

On 8/28/2025 at 4:40 PM, hepcat said:

Thielen was a "dawg" like Dan Morgan likes to say. And they replaced him with puppies. 

The analytics are probably saying this is more targets for younger receivers they are hoping to develop, specifically the first round pick from 2025. The eye test is going to show a very inexperienced group of WRs that are going to have some serious growing pains, for a 3rd year QB who has not yet proven to be the guy going forward. 

It's crazy how in the literal first game of his NFL career, Cam Newton showed everyone he was a star QB and there was never any doubt about that. It almost didn't even matter who was around him, although he definitely had a serious lack of talent at WR for most of his career.

Bryce is going into his third season and there is still a ton of doubt, and who is around him is seen as crucial for him to have success. I don't like it. 

Cam had the advantage of having a very strong supporting cast his first 2 seasons. Things definitely worsened later on. But those first couple of years can kill a QB. Some never truly recover. If they do recover it takes years, and usually with another team. Trying to learn to be an NFL QB with TEs and WRs that are trying to learn too is a recipe for disaster. Imagine if Cam's rookie season was that 2014 offensive squad. Changes everything!

I said it when they moved up in 2023. This team wasn't ready for a rookie QB yet. Anyone that thinks Stroud would have been a lot better is delusional. The correct formula is to build a strong team and then you go get your rookie QB. Not the other way around. BY is going into his third season and we're still trying to put a respectable group of WRs and TEs around him. I think they have the right personnel now. Unfortunately they haven't developed into actual NFL players yet. 

This season we should expect consistency and aggressiveness from BY. Mostly for his development but also to DEVELOP his young cast.