Derrick Brown is the Leader of this Team

[toldozer]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

I’m with you, but a .500 season and then a season of 2-14 isn’t winning.  And there are levels to it.  Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m wait you - I would kill to get back to one season on, one season off like it was under JR.  But the vast majority of that team that Fam walked into had not won anything of note.  And if 2 seasons of not winning produced that environment, imagine how horrible of an environment we have now.

No but you said most of the locker room hadn't won and was used to losing. They were 12-4 2 years prior and 8-8 the season prior to the plug literally intentionally being pulled and we were awful for ONE year. Cam's take was annoying and wrong and Smith was rightfully upset. Hurney was a below average him but he could keep enough talent on a team and add to it to get it right every couple of years. This team is devoid of talent and hitting on a draft picks or two won't save us now. Dropping rookie Cam Newton on to this roster would honestly not look much different than Bryce. We have below average NFL talent because we have well below average NFL talent evaluators.

[frankw]

1 minute ago, toldozer said:

Dropping rookie Cam Newton on to this roster would honestly not look much different than Bryce.

You can't actually believe that.

[kungfoodude]

At this point the crying Jordan meme is the leader of this team.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, frankw said:

You can't actually believe that.

I would agree that dropping even prime Cam on this roster still probably isn't a GOOD team. It's a team that wins some fuging games, however. And probably rarely gets embarrassed.

[toldozer]

Just now, frankw said:

You can't actually believe that.

Cams rookie year we went 6-10 and this defense is astronomically worse. I do not think Prime Cam could win with this defense 

[frankw]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I would agree that dropping even prime Cam on this roster still probably isn't a GOOD team. It's a team that wins some fuging games, however. And probably rarely gets embarrassed.

That's what I mean. The full effect of what Cam brought in his prime would more often than not at least give you a game worth watching.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

That's what I mean. The full effect of what Cam brought in his prime would more often than not at least give you a game worth watching.

100%. Cam would be out there dying on his shield to try and counter our dumpster fire defense. You would also see him being a real vocal leader on the sidelines rather than being a room temp cup of expired milk like Bryce typically is.

[csx]

Make him DC and QB

[toldozer]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

100%. Cam would be out there dying on his shield to try and counter our dumpster fire defense. You would also see him being a real vocal leader on the sidelines rather than being a room temp cup of expired milk like Bryce typically is.

No disagreement and anyone would take Cam over Bryce literally every single time. This offense would be top 10 with Cam at the helm but I doubt we win more than 6 games. That's how bad the defense is

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, toldozer said:

No disagreement and anyone would take Cam over Bryce literally every single time. This offense would be top 10 with Cam at the helm but I doubt we win more than 6 games. That's how bad the defense is

I am still flabbergasted so many pushed back on my assertion that this was the second worst roster in Panthers history. Like.....how was it not obvious???

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

Pretty much

Derrick isn’t a sack guy and everyone wanted to pretend like him coming back would fix our run D

welp 

DB is a good player, not a great one. You shouldn't pay a player $25 mil per year to play on the D-line to not get sacks and to not make a big impact against the run.  You can find guys on the last 2 days of the draft to do that.

In his defense, I think he's out of position. For some reason Tepper is obsessed with this team running a 3-4. Brown would be much more effective overall if he played NT in a 4-3 and had AT LEAST ONE LEGIT pass rusher on the line with him. 

Still, a DL making 25 mil a year should be a guy who can take over a game, at least several times per year. I've never seen Brown do that.

[SCO96]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am still flabbergasted so many pushed back on my assertion that this was the second worst roster in Panthers history. Like.....how was it not obvious???

It's DEFINITELY one of the top 5 worst! No one can dispute that!

[SCO96]

21 minutes ago, toldozer said:

Cams rookie year we went 6-10 and this defense is astronomically worse. I do not think Prime Cam could win with this defense 

But, PRIME CAM could score points with this OFFENSE!

We all know the defense sucks. But if we went 6-11, but average 24 points a game we could live with that because we could then focus solely on the defense for the next 2 off-seasons.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, SCO96 said:

It's DEFINITELY one of the top 5 worst! No one can dispute that!

I thought we would be a little bit better defensively but even with all the signings, that defensive depth chart looked terrible. I just cannot fathom how anyone fell for that poo.