NextGen Passing Chart - Week 3

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

That two second sideline fade was Bryce’s best “deep” pass last year, especially to Thielen from the slot position. 

That only worked tho because Thielen would go in motion and tell Bryce if the safety was off or not. 

We really miss Thielen more than we want to admit. Renfro is no Theilen who made some amazing catches which really bailed Bryce out at times. I hated to see him go back to the Vikings although I completely understand why we did.

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You notice is it always the same people throwing shade. I didn't want Bryce when we drafted him but I am a Panthers fan first so I will support the team and its players even if they aren't my favorite.  And this negativity with a justification of not accepting mediocrity is a load of crap. No one likes losing and not contending. No one celebrates 9th place. But it isn't like their bitching will change anything so why the endless complaints that most of us don't want to hear. Trust me we all get they don't like Bryce. But until he is gone he is what we have for better or worse. So I say root for his success and keep their crap to themselves. I don't know about you but it is only week 3 and getting old already. Sorry to hijack your post.

Rant off.....

I tell you what I do notice.  You disappearing and only showing up under the safety of a Panthers win. 

Sorry Steve Smith Sr, but the bad offense is going to be a consistent topic.  It’s literally what we have spent everything on and been focused on organizationally.  
 

[mrcompletely11]

28 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

In 2 seconds how many can get deep? That how much time he had if you are paying attention.

The "2 second" thing from DC is kindof a fallacy.  It goes completely against what he showed in Seattle and most certainly in TB

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The "2 second" thing from DC is kindof a fallacy.  It goes completely against what he showed in Seattle and most certainly in TB

That was also in the wake of McDaniel overcoming bad offensive line play with tua by getting the ball out in less than two seconds and probably sounded good to tepper. “we don’t need olinemen if we just pass fast” etc, just like how we didn’t need receivers because Bryce was a point guard. 

but in miami McDaniel had waddle and hill, and a quarterback that could consistently put his back foot in the ground and throw to a spot. Theres none of that in Carolina. 

also Canales can’t coach 

[cranky]

14 hours ago, CRA said:

Thanks for posting this. It really proves how well Bryce played. 

Here's why:

Bryce Young negated the Falcons’ blitz-heavy scheme (63% blitz rate) by getting rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds against extra pass rushers (2.46 seconds). Young finished 9 of 14 for 72 yards against the blitz.

That's a 64% completion rate. That's big.

So the chart shows he did exactly what he needed to do.

Also, see that green dot at the left 20yd line. That was on a 4th and 7 at the Panther's 39. That's a clutch play.  See that other white dot next to it, that was a perfect throw where the defender was called for pass interference resulting in a first down. See that long 40 yrd incompletion. That was in the end zone and hit Tet in the hands but the defender was draped all over him (should have been PI) and finally see that lone incompletion behind the LOS, that was a drop by Tet that would have gone for a big gain. So while you haters use it to prove how badly he played, I look at it as proof of how well he did. 

So again, thanks for posting it.

[frankw]

1 hour ago, jb2288 said:

And here comes Frank right on cue. Is “cult” your new buzzword this week? If you take time to read the post you’ll see the discussion was over 15 yard and plus passes. But I know you prefer to paint your own picture then cry about people moving the goalposts when called out on your slop.  

Nobody was glazing Jimmy Clausen like this and for good reason.

It isn't everyone else's fault some of you have lowered standards for a #1 overall pick beneath the earth's crust.

[CRA]

23 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Josh is like any quarterback in the league. He takes what the defense gives him. Just like Bryce. The difference is Josh is better running and throwing on the run. His big plays are often not scripted and a result of a good running game something we are still working on. Buffalo has better personnel than us across the board. Makes it much easier to win. And about that false narrative about Bryce can't handle pressure. He did a great job Sunday against a heavy run and pass blitz. Which is why the Vikings got crushed and we crushed the Dirty Birds. Clearly the narrative of he can't throw downfield is being championed by those who see but don't really understand football. Otherwise you would see all the audibles Bryce called as he stepped up to the line and saw the heavy blitz. Receivers broke off routes and he checked down many times as he should have. Stop looking for things to complain about and enjoy the win. There may not be too many.

Josh Allen is a playmaker and the closet thing to Cam Newton the league has seen.  So yeah, Bryce isn’t…..just like Josh Allen 

Buffalo does not have better personnel than us across the board on offense.  Their leading WR last year was freaking Shakir followed by a disappointing rookie season by rookie WR.  We had the most expensive OL in the NFL last year.  A rock solid backfield.  With comparable WR talent.  If give them a clear TE edge but it’s a wash given out OL investment. 

what they do have is a QB that makes everyone human in the field around him better. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, cranky said:

Thanks for posting this. It really proves how well Bryce played. 

Here's why:

Bryce Young negated the Falcons’ blitz-heavy scheme (63% blitz rate) by getting rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds against extra pass rushers (2.46 seconds). Young finished 9 of 14 for 72 yards against the blitz.

That's a 64% completion rate. That's big.

So the chart shows he did exactly what he needed to do.

Also, see that green dot at the left 20yd line. That was on a 4th and 7 at the Panther's 39. That's a clutch play.  See that other white dot next to it, that was a perfect throw where the defender was called for pass interference resulting in a first down. See that long 40 yrd incompletion. That was in the end zone and hit Tet in the hands but the defender was draped all over him (should have been PI) and finally see that lone incompletion behind the LOS, that was a drop by Tet that would have gone for a big gain. So while you haters use it to prove how badly he played, I look at it as proof of how well he did. 

So again, thanks for posting it.

Bar is on the floor boss.  And he remains way too inaccurate even in the most conservative asks of a gameplan. 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I tell you what I do notice.  You disappearing and only showing up under the safety of a Panthers win. 

Sorry Steve Smith Sr, but the bad offense is going to be a consistent topic.  It’s literally what we have spent everything on and been focused on organizationally.  
 

I was here the past two weeks while you dominated every thread with constant complaining. I decided I wasn't going to try even posting with all that negative crap. All of you would  have found great amusement in trying to attack anyone with a more reasoned  positive approach. So I waited until now to come here to celebrate a win. Not to champion Bryce. It was only after you and others make negative comments despite the huge win that I commented. I am a Panther fan not a Bryce fan or Bruce hater. I will support him as long as he is a Panther. After that he is largely dead to me. But again won't go back and forth. I have nothing to defend and just going to enjoy the win.

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

That was also in the wake of McDaniel overcoming bad offensive line play with tua by getting the ball out in less than two seconds and probably sounded good to tepper. “we don’t need olinemen if we just pass fast” etc, just like how we didn’t need receivers because Bryce was a point guard. 

but in miami McDaniel had waddle and hill, and a quarterback that could consistently put his back foot in the ground and throw to a spot. Theres none of that in Carolina. 

also Canales can’t coach 

Many schemes where you have 4 receiver sets for example there will be an unblocked rusher by design. So it is inherent you get the ball out quickly. Plus the scheme we run is predicated on timing and throwing to spots not holding the ball looking for a wide open guy. Something Bryce had to learn and is still learning. So yeah Canales preaches getting the ball out and having good play action based on a good run game to make it easier for Bryce to succeed. We could use both Waddell and Hill here too.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

I was here the past two weeks while you dominated every thread with constant complaining. I decided I wasn't going to try even posting with all that negative crap. All of you would  have found great amusement in trying to attack anyone with a more reasoned  positive approach. So I waited until now to come here to celebrate a win. Not to champion Bryce. It was only after you and others make negative comments despite the huge win that I commented. I am a Panther fan not a Bryce fan or Bruce hater. I will support him as long as he is a Panther. After that he is largely dead to me. But again won't go back and forth. I have nothing to defend and just going to enjoy the win.

Ok, boss.  It’s not like it hasn’t been a pretty consistent thing for to do a lot of barking and lecturing preseason….and then opting not to post when it it goes poorly (predictably so). 

you can call it complaining….but its really just being right about Bryce and the O for 3 straight seasons 

and again, just like I have entered every season saying it’s not about wins or losses….its not.  Clearly we are a team that has spent all their resources on developing a healthy and functional offense….THAT still remains what everything is about.  We aren’t built to be competitive by design.  We have been throwing everything at the O. Penix being a trainwreck and us getting one of the few wins we would always stumble into doesn’t alter the convo about us going forward.  The O is the convo in Carolina 

 

[electro's horse]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bar is on the floor boss.  And he remains way too inaccurate even in the most conservative asks of a gameplan. 

its how all of his passing charts look

getting bailed out by the refs throwing into a team without it's best corner isn't something to brag about

"if you only count all the completions he didn't make" isn't the argument he thinks it is

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Plus the scheme we run is predicated on timing and throwing to spots not holding the ball looking for a wide open guy. 

this is true in a really broad sense.

panthers scheme is play action mesh with the first read generally being a check down to a runningback or a five yard curl, generally to the right side of the field. that's nothing like what they were running in miami

[cranky]

14 minutes ago, CRA said:

Bar is on the floor boss.  And he remains way too inaccurate even in the most conservative asks of a gameplan. 

64% against the blitz is not inaccurate