Pass Rush

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I mean, some of y'all keep on saying that, but the fact is is that he is the only Giant feasting. Burns is just better than many of us thought, myself included.

Sometimes it just takes guys time to get to the top of their game, that's why I'm going to give our rookies a lot of grace. It might be a couple of years before they hit their stride (though it didn't take Burns that long). But I have been disappointed. Moreover, I suspect that they all might benefit by migrating to  a 4-3 base. 

But Burns is what he is. It was ultimately bad timing IMO. After Scott Fitterer failed to take the two firsts, things were destined to go downhill.

I think we should've kept Clowney for another year or so more than Burns, but it's all been fûcked up anyway, so nobody was probably going to make that much of a difference.

Burns had over 10 sacks in 1 season here and that was with Brown. That's a fact. 

He isn't a game changer, he is a guy who feast when he is a role player surounded by enough tslent that teams can't easily focus on him. It wasn't just turning down that trade that pooped in the punch bowl. It was saying how special he was the entire time because they had so little talent on the roster to promote while also negotiating like he wasn't special enough to turn down that trade. 

[TD alt]

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Burns had over 10 sacks in 1 season here and that was with Brown. That's a fact. 

He isn't a game changer, he is a guy who feast when he is a role player surounded by enough tslent that teams can't easily focus on him. It wasn't just turning down that trade that pooped in the punch bowl. It was saying how special he was the entire time because they had so little talent on the roster to promote while also negotiating like he wasn't special enough to turn down that trade. 

I mean, Brown isn't really a sacker, and he's flourishing now, So Burns was really playing by himself as far as rushing the passer goes. Burns was never going to be Paraons or Hutchinson, but h is one that must be accounted for however,band his contract is looking more like a deal even if he playing among suspected talent. It's still relatively early for Thibodeuax and especially Carter, but just like with our guys, I'd like to see more.  

[kungfoodude]

34 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I mean, some of y'all keep on saying that, but the fact is is that he is the only Giant feasting. Burns is just better than many of us thought, myself included.

Sometimes it just takes guys time to get to the top of their game, that's why I'm going to give our rookies a lot of grace. It might be a couple of years before they hit their stride (though it didn't take Burns that long). But I have been disappointed. Moreover, I suspect that they all might benefit by migrating to  a 4-3 base. 

But Burns is what he is. It was ultimately bad timing IMO. After Scott Fitterer failed to take the two firsts, things were destined to go downhill.

I think we should've kept Clowney for another year or so more than Burns, but it's all been fûcked up anyway, so nobody was probably going to make that much of a difference.

Why didn't feast last year? Was it maybe due to the lack of another elite pass rusher being across from him?

Is he just a guy that needs only elite players on the DL to produce at an elite level? Is he elite then?

I will say other elite pass rushers don't seem to have the issue with producing like he does. 

[jb2288]

1 hour ago, UnluckyforSome said:

Not paying Burns is 1 thing. Attempting to bolster the pass rush with nobodies and has-beens is a completely different matter unfortunately. Maybe we should draft another wr?

We used 2 of our top 3 picks on pass rush and probably use another top 2 this year 

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I mean, Brown isn't really a sacker, and he's flourishing now, So Burns was really playing by himself as far as rushing the passer goes. Burns was never going to be Paraons or Hutchinson, but h is one that must be accounted for however,band his contract is looking more like a deal even if he playing among suspected talent. It's still relatively early for Thibodeuax and especially Carter, but just like with our guys, I'd like to see more.  

That's why so many said he wasn't worth it here, there was only DB and it wasn't enough. If Burns is feasting then the other guys in NY are doing enough already, Burns is just collecting the stats. It's what he eas built for and is finally in his perfect space to succeed.

Im not as in on the new guys yet. More is an understatement but the good news is that they are rookies.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

We used 2 of our top 3 picks on pass rush and probably use another top 2 this year 

Technically our guys are in the top 6 in sacks for rookies and Scourton is tied for the lead.

[SmokinwithWilly]

23 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Burns had over 10 sacks in 1 season here and that was with Brown. That's a fact. 

He isn't a game changer, he is a guy who feast when he is a role player surounded by enough tslent that teams can't easily focus on him. It wasn't just turning down that trade that pooped in the punch bowl. It was saying how special he was the entire time because they had so little talent on the roster to promote while also negotiating like he wasn't special enough to turn down that trade. 

The year he had another edge rusher opposite him in Reddick, Reddick ended up having more sacks. Burns was good at rushing the passer here but he was taken out of plays far too often by a single TE or you'd never even known he was in the game at all. 

The Rams offer was equivalent to prime Khalil Mack or a TJ Watt. Those guys single handedly took over games and stopped drives. I can't remember a game Burns ever did that. Do we wish we had the level of production hes giving right now? Of course. Do I think we'd have it here. No. 

At the time, his production was on par with Reddick, not Parsons. Pay production and incentivise potential. 

[kungfoodude]

For as hyped as the 2025 Draft DE class was, it hasn't produced a lot of sacks at the almost halfway point of the season. Early returns are looking less than stellar.

TE, WR and RB class are having some big successes, however. That depth appears to be very valid.

[Tr3ach]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Move back to 4-3 full time, start putting more mass and muscle into our DEs and push for more blitzing, too.

I'm sick of a passive defense approach... "Do what you want to the girl, just leave me alone" isn't how you win in the NFL.

That's why ive wanted Evero gone for a while now.  Hes a fine coach but I hate the system and bend but dont break soft scheme.

[Waldo]

12 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The year he had another edge rusher opposite him in Reddick, Reddick ended up having more sacks. Burns was good at rushing the passer here but he was taken out of plays far too often by a single TE or you'd never even known he was in the game at all. 

The Rams offer was equivalent to prime Khalil Mack or a TJ Watt. Those guys single handedly took over games and stopped drives. I can't remember a game Burns ever did that. Do we wish we had the level of production hes giving right now? Of course. Do I think we'd have it here. No. 

At the time, his production was on par with Reddick, not Parsons. Pay production and incentivise potential. 

Well said

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, Candler Cat said:

Burns should be in a Rams uniform

Yep, guess who we could have had: JSN*, Jared Verse (nice edge option) and 2025 pick 46 and Atlanta’s 2026 1st
 

* just a wish but the 2023 2nd was pick 36 and that and Mingo’s pick was enough to jump to 20 and take a much better WR. We obviously wanted a WR since we took Mingo.

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Yep, guess who we could have had: JSN*, Jared Verse (nice edge option) and 2025 pick 46 and Atlanta’s 2026 1st
 

* just a wish but the 2023 2nd was pick 36 and that and Mingo’s pick was enough to jump to 20 and take a much better WR. We obviously wanted a WR since we took Mingo.

Or we could have used the Rams 1sts instead of our own to trade up to 1, taken Bryce, kept DJ Moore still ended up with the number 1 overall, and either traded it away for a haul, or taken a serious look at Williams, Dart, Maye and Daniels if we were less than impressed with what we saw out of Bryce. 

It was so simple and right there for the taking. Fug you Scott Fittershits.